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Posted: Sunday, January 23, 2011 - 12:48 AM UTC
Hello everyone.
Sorry to be a pain in the backside, but i have 5 questions on weathering.
1. Oil pin washes, What are they? How do you apply them?
2. Oil pannel washes, What are they? How do you apply them?
3. Oil staining, What colour? And how?
4. Overall oil washes, How do you apply them and what colours are best?
5. Chipping, What techniques do you use to chip paint? And what colour?
I model 1/35 scale german tanks. I'm still new to modeling tanks and need to know how to make my tank look very realistic.
Thanks everyone.
Regards Callum.
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Posted: Sunday, January 23, 2011 - 03:59 PM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, January 23, 2011 - 05:20 PM UTC
Hi Callum,

Welcome to the site!


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Sorry to be a pain...

You are not a pain.

1. Oil pin washes--a wash that is applied precisely, via a pen or a fine brush; usually to specific parts, such as rivets or panel lines.

2. Oil panel washes--you mix up a wash with oil paint; apply is as apin wash, or as a broad wash.

3. Oil staining--depends. look at the oil in/on your car. Fresh oil is fairly translucent, used oil is dark with impurities. Where is the oil, under a vehicle or in the engine area? Then I'd do a dark color, very dark brown or gray. For oil spilled on a surface, then the oil would be glossy, or it would quickly attract dirt. I'd make it a adrker, glossy shade of the dust/dirt you weather with.

4. Overall oil washes--apply with a big brush. Color depends. Over light colors such as tans, I use browns. Over greens, either highly diluted black, or use dark greys, or even dark greens. Over something gray, use dark grays and blacks.

5. Chipping--different opinions. Go find a bulldozer or other construction equipment. Look at their chipping. Depends on the look you want to convey. Old chips that rust can vary from orange rust to a dark brown. Most chips on a tank do not have that silver look unless it is a highly used area, like a step. Even then the metal has dirt ground into it.

Go to the FEATURES section and look around to find the features WEATHERING HERESIES and WASH TECHNIQUES. There are other HOW-TOs to find.
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Posted: Sunday, January 23, 2011 - 05:24 PM UTC

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Hello everyone.
Sorry to be a pain in the backside, but i have 5 questions on weathering.
1. Oil pin washes, What are they? How do you apply them?
2. Oil panel washes, What are they? How do you apply them?
3. Oil staining, What colour? And how?
4. Overall oil washes, How do you apply them and what colours are best?
5. Chipping, What techniques do you use to chip paint? And what colour?
I model 1/35 scale german tanks. I'm still new to modeling tanks and need to know how to make my tank look very realistic.
Thanks everyone.
Regards Callum.


Seriously, the answers to these questions would fill a book (and have). I suggest you pick up Stephen Zaloga's book, "Modeling US Armor of World War Two," published by Osprey. It covers all of this, and more (the techniques are equally applicable to German armor subjects). His other Osprey Modeling titles (sometimes spelled "Modelling" in the title, British-style), are all excellent.
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Posted: Sunday, January 23, 2011 - 05:59 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Hello everyone.
Sorry to be a pain in the backside, but i have 5 questions on weathering.
1. Oil pin washes, What are they? How do you apply them?
2. Oil pannel washes, What are they? How do you apply them?
3. Oil staining, What colour? And how?
4. Overall oil washes, How do you apply them and what colours are best?
5. Chipping, What techniques do you use to chip paint? And what colour?
I model 1/35 scale german tanks. I'm still new to modeling tanks and need to know how to make my tank look very realistic.
Thanks everyone.
Regards Callum.


....anything else?

Joking aside, as rightly Gerald said, the answers to your questions can fill a (huge) book. If your goal is improve your modelling skill,take your time to learn and to do experiences.
Anyway this a useful link which can clear some of your doubts:

http://missing-lynx.com/rareworld.htm

But anyway, of course, that's not enough to resolve, it's just a begin


cheers and.... enjoy
callum111
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Posted: Sunday, January 23, 2011 - 07:07 PM UTC
Hello everyone,
i thought those questions alone would fill a book.
Anyway, thanks for the answers. They were very helpful.
Regards Callum
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Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011 - 04:59 AM UTC
Hi Callum,
The other guys have steered you in the right directions. Probably the best resource for how to apply these techniques will be found in the build logs and features found here at Armorama, Missing Link and Track Link.
Seeing how fellow modellers, with varying levels of skill, tackle their builds, painting and weathering can make it easier to choose the pace at which you want to progress. Of course most prefer differing parts of the process and consequently focus more on that stage, but by reading through you'll soon get to know who deals with your current interest well.
I've only relatively recently returned to the hobby and with every new build I try to only do one or two new techniques. First kit was painting with an airbrush and applying mud pigments. Next was photoetch details and oil panel washes. Then indy links
If you do want a textbook, try getting Mig Jiminez's "FAQ frequently asked questions of the AFV painting techniques" by Andrea Press. I saw a post the other day that said it was re-published. Which is good, cause otherwise you could only get it from dead modeller's estates, prised from their stiff fingers
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Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011 - 08:47 AM UTC
try Mig Jimenez DVD Washes, fading and oils, it really helps
callum111
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Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011 - 11:27 AM UTC
Hello,
Thanks for all of the comments everyone. They were very helpful. I know have a better understanding on how to weather.
Thanks again.
Callum.
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Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011 - 02:09 PM UTC
Read the "Finishing and Weathering Sequence" thread at the top of this forum. It's long but if you read through it all, you'll learn a lot on these very techniques.
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Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011 - 05:06 PM UTC
Hello matt,
I read that thread and i have learned alot from it. I have 1 more question for this thread.
I'm working on a 1/35 scale elefant tank made by dragon, i'm going to do a winter camo on it. i'll follow your steps with the gloss coats etc etc. But with the washes what colour is best? Grey, Black, Brown? I have already primed it black and have added the base coat (Drak Yellow) i need to hit it with some future now and then the White paint. But what do you think is the best colour for the wash over a white camo?
Thanks
Callum.
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Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011 - 07:14 PM UTC
Also another thing.
I live in Australia, i cannot buy future. My local hobby store only stocks Tamiya Matt, Satin, and Gloss. They also have them in the humbrol range. Can i use any of those for the gloss coat? I once coated one of my tanks with a matt varnish from humbrol and it was exelent for dry brushing.
Mind you my technique when i first started modeling tanks (2 months ago) my weathering was just paint the camo and dry brush black and grind up chalk and apply with varnish on the road gear. Not too good, when i compare to the experts models.

Now that i have read these forums im getting better and better. I now have learnt the trick of washing and not to dry brush everything black. I'm placing a big order on ebay for mig pigments, i see they are very good and they play a huge part in the weathering process. But now, i sorta got the hang of forest camo and desert camo weathering, i need to know the tricks of weathing winter camo. Any tips would be nice.
So, humbrol gloss or tamiya? What one is best?
Thanks
Callum.
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Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011 - 08:59 PM UTC

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So, humbrol gloss or tamiya? What one is best?
Thanks
Callum.


Usually, beefore doing washing and filters, is better apply a glass-satin coat on the model. A clear coat seals the base coat and avoids the paint stripping because oil color thinner can't dilute a well cured acrilyc paint layer. Furthermore, a gloss surface makes easy the oil washes.
So, if you are going to do oil washes,probably the best choice is a Tamiya coat (x22)
After washing process (and before pigment work) you can soften the "glossy" appearance with a matt paint coat. The final paint coat can be humbrol, tamiya, valleyo , it'll depends on your taste.
Anyway, here on Armorama you'll have the chance to met a lot of modeller much more skilled than me. They'll give you surely the best advices.

Here

http://sl-blag.blogspot.com/2007/11/gunpla-tutorial-videos.html

You can find a long list of video tutorial. Although are japanese tutorials, they are very clear and well done. Following them I learnt a lot

here
http://www.youtube.com/user/mrscratchmod?feature=mhum#p/a
the "Scratch youtube channel

you can find the youtube channel of Rob Ferreira, aka SCRATCHMOD, a great guy and one of the best modeller who i know.You can met him here on Armorama

here
http://www.youtube.com/user/ScaleModelMadman#g/u

a lot of tutorial videos made by ScaleModelMadman


I hope it'll be useful for you

cheers

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Mind you my technique when i first started modeling tanks (2 months ago) my weathering was just paint the camo and dry brush black...
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Drybrush technique is for light up the details, so is better never use a dark color. Instead you should use a paint clearer than the base coat tone



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Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011 - 10:07 PM UTC
Rob's blog
http://site.scratchmod.com/

Mig Guimenez's blog
http://migjimenez.blogspot.com/

Ric Lawler's blog
http://ricklawler.plastic-garden.com/

Here you can find an article about Future Wax.
You wrote you can find it , but sometime in other countries is on sale with a different noun. So here you can verify if is on sale in Australia
http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html


Cheers
callum111
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Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011 - 11:33 PM UTC
Hello Mauro,
Thanks for the web links.
A while ago i found those japanese vids on youtube and thats were i learnt that you shouldn't drybrush black. Anyway thanks again.

If anyone has any advice on what colour i should use for a wash on a winter camo, please tell me.

thanks again,
Callum

P.S, filters... Still a noob, but is this correct? You apply a wash over your tank say its a africa camo (tan), so the wash is brown coloured. Then you apply a filter, would the colour of the filter be the tan colour?
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - 12:43 AM UTC

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If anyone has any advice on what colour i should use for a wash on a winter camo, please tell me.


There's no a specific color for winter or summer camo. it depends on references pics. You can use a dark color wash to depict the tank dirty appareance such as for exemple a very dark brown oil color. Before learning to do general washes you should do practice with pin washes in my humble opinion...


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P.S, filters... Still a noob, but is this correct? You apply a wash over your tank say its a africa camo (tan), so the wash is brown coloured. Then you apply a filter, would the colour of the filter be the tan colour?


Filters are optional....is an advanced technique. If i was you i'd wouldn't do now

Anyway, Mig production sells specific filters products:

here

and here

In my opinion you have a very good attitude, but you want to learn too many things in a short time

As I said, to reach the best results, take your time...

cheers
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - 04:43 AM UTC
Callum,

Future is called Klear in the UK so it may be the same in your market. In either case, stay with an acrylic (Klear or Tamiya) or Vallejo clear to protect your paint before the washes. Make an oil wash of raw or burnt umber for your wash over the whitewash. Black is way too stark.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - 12:20 PM UTC
Hello gents,
thank you all for all of the help. I have searched different methods on the forum and have found other techniques that will come in handly. I now understand what a filter is. Thanks matt for telling me what colour to use over white. I have a list of techniques (what they are, how to apply, etc, etc.) And all i need now is some practice! I also see on many of the threads, people have ''junk models'' to practice on. I'll go out and buy a cheap tank to practice with.
Thanks for all of the help.
Callum.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 - 07:40 AM UTC

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Hello gents,
thank you all for all of the help. I have searched different methods on the forum and have found other techniques that will come in handly. I now understand what a filter is. Thanks matt for telling me what colour to use over white. I have a list of techniques (what they are, how to apply, etc, etc.) And all i need now is some practice! I also see on many of the threads, people have ''junk models'' to practice on. I'll go out and buy a cheap tank to practice with.
Thanks for all of the help.
Callum.
a suggestion on filters. the first filter i did, i did it heavy and heavy each time i applied it. and had a rough time getting the color that i liked. many light filters should be the way to go, otherwise you have to do alot of work to correct the color.. at first, you may not see the filter, but it will slowly show
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Posted: Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 07:55 AM UTC
Hey Callum...

Try to ask him how did he make the winter camo on his stunning marder III

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/170756&page=1#1433377
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