Hi Guys
Working on my early North African Priest and I'm looking into how it is equipped with a No19 wireless, I've tried searching but no luck. Does anyone have any details or photographs as to where/how in the hull it was fitted?
Thanks
-keith
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keithburns
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Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011 - 05:06 AM UTC
jon_a_its
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Posted: Monday, January 24, 2011 - 10:49 PM UTC
I haven't seen any either!
Pics of the interior of open topped SP's are a bit rare.
The Archer 17pdr A/T & Sexton 25pdr SP both open topped, had no19 sets fitted in a box with a canvas flap cover, sort of tucked into a corner near the commanders' position.
A good guess would be where the american radio would have been?
The Tankograd manual mentioned here may help: http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/academy/acd13210.html
as will googling 105mm M7 interior
Reviews of a/m parts here:
Formations: http://armorama.kitmaker.net/review/3430
ResiCast: http://www.modelgeek.com/review/4161
https://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/forums/159916
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/review/3384
Pics of the interior of open topped SP's are a bit rare.
The Archer 17pdr A/T & Sexton 25pdr SP both open topped, had no19 sets fitted in a box with a canvas flap cover, sort of tucked into a corner near the commanders' position.
A good guess would be where the american radio would have been?
The Tankograd manual mentioned here may help: http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/academy/acd13210.html
as will googling 105mm M7 interior
Reviews of a/m parts here:
Formations: http://armorama.kitmaker.net/review/3430
ResiCast: http://www.modelgeek.com/review/4161
https://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/forums/159916
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/review/3384
thathaway3
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - 01:51 AM UTC
Are you sure that they actually HAD radios mounted?
Certainly for self propelled artillery pieces in the US Army in the 50's through the early 80s, radios were NOT installed. In convoy, only the battery XO in the lead vehicle had radio comms and flags were used to signal an emergency fire mission, but only that a mission was coming and to be prepared to pull off the road, set up and fire.
Once the battery had arrived in a new firing position all communication to the guns was handled by wire, with the fire missions coming into the battery Fire Direction Center from the Forward Observers by radio and which then converted that into firing data for the guns and passed along via field phone. There was no need for individual pieces to HAVE radios.
I don't KNOW that US SP Artillery DIDN'T have radios mounted, but I would not be the least bit surprised if they didn't. The way they operated wouldn't have required it,
Certainly for self propelled artillery pieces in the US Army in the 50's through the early 80s, radios were NOT installed. In convoy, only the battery XO in the lead vehicle had radio comms and flags were used to signal an emergency fire mission, but only that a mission was coming and to be prepared to pull off the road, set up and fire.
Once the battery had arrived in a new firing position all communication to the guns was handled by wire, with the fire missions coming into the battery Fire Direction Center from the Forward Observers by radio and which then converted that into firing data for the guns and passed along via field phone. There was no need for individual pieces to HAVE radios.
I don't KNOW that US SP Artillery DIDN'T have radios mounted, but I would not be the least bit surprised if they didn't. The way they operated wouldn't have required it,
MartynSmith
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - 02:06 AM UTC
Hi Keith
You could try emailing/calling The Tank Museum, Bovington to see if they have vehicle plans/stowage sketches they would show you exactly what you need I'm pretty sure. They do charge for copying though £5-£8.25 for my last stuff. They are very good though and quick...had my plans back next day.
You being in the US may be a problem but they can probably fax/email?
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Martyn
You could try emailing/calling The Tank Museum, Bovington to see if they have vehicle plans/stowage sketches they would show you exactly what you need I'm pretty sure. They do charge for copying though £5-£8.25 for my last stuff. They are very good though and quick...had my plans back next day.
You being in the US may be a problem but they can probably fax/email?
Archive & Reference Library
T: 01929 405096 x230
E: [email protected]
Martyn
MartynSmith
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - 02:15 AM UTC
Hi Jon
Not sure about the Sexton but the Archer was fitted with a No18 wireless set to the immediate right of the driver on the sponson. The #18 was the standard infantry and RA forward observer radio so maybe this was the usual fit for other SP's?
Martyn
Not sure about the Sexton but the Archer was fitted with a No18 wireless set to the immediate right of the driver on the sponson. The #18 was the standard infantry and RA forward observer radio so maybe this was the usual fit for other SP's?
Martyn
kruppw
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - 05:37 AM UTC
Keith, Squadron's M7 Priest walkaround has one picture at the beginning of the book that shows a No19 set up on the sponson right next to the driver. The antenna base was mounted up on the roof over the driver toward the outer edge of the hull. Exact details of of the base is very sketchy since I haven't been able to find good pictures of the set up. But from everything I have read and numerous accounts, seems like all British priest in north africa had radios installed. I'll try to scan the picture for you and post it later today, I have to find my book first.
keithburns
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - 02:17 PM UTC
Thanks for the info guys. I found a video that has some great film of Sherman's, Priests etc that I want to base my model on. I need to get some 105mm shells, verlinden or AFV club, the tracks I'll pinch from my DML DV Sherman, I have the Black Dog 'Grant stowage set' parts of which will go on a Honey the Sherman and the Priest, terrific set
Check out this film
-keith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBKOrSkbtOY&feature=related
Check out this film
-keith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBKOrSkbtOY&feature=related
jon_a_its
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Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 - 03:34 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Are you sure that they actually HAD radios mounted?
Certainly for self propelled artillery pieces in the US Army in the 50's through the early 80s, radios were NOT installed. In convoy, only the battery XO in the lead vehicle had radio comms and flags were used to signal an emergency fire mission, but only that a mission was coming and to be prepared to pull off the road, set up and fire.
Once the battery had arrived in a new firing position all communication to the guns was handled by wire, with the fire missions coming into the battery Fire Direction Center from the Forward Observers by radio and which then converted that into firing data for the guns and passed along via field phone. There was no need for individual pieces to HAVE radios.
I don't KNOW that US SP Artillery DIDN'T have radios mounted, but I would not be the least bit surprised if they didn't. The way they operated wouldn't have required it,
Good Info Tom...
I DON'T Know for sure!
The Sexton DID, used as the M7's sucessor by the Brits.
The Archer DID, & that was SP Anti Tank & Crewed by Artillery Crew from Artillery formations.
Martyn, no18 set, my bad...
Makes sense for A/T to talk to the Infantry they would be supporting. 
Delbert
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Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 - 06:22 PM UTC
Hey there
I don't know if this will help you or not, but I have some photos of the M7 interior from the old AFV Interior's website, I'll post the couple that show a radio and Quote some of the relevent text that goes with it. This is from a U.S. Vehicle though..
"...........Also partially visible to the right of the seat is the radio, mounted near the driver's position with a tarp covering the top.
"Another photo (slightly out of focus) from the same vehicle with the British radio connection box shows the view looking forward in this particular vehicle. Notice that the instrument panel is the M3 Medium Tank "Grant/Lee" type common in early vehicles and once again what appears to be a radio is mounted to the left of the driver, up on the track sponson....."
Laters
I don't know if this will help you or not, but I have some photos of the M7 interior from the old AFV Interior's website, I'll post the couple that show a radio and Quote some of the relevent text that goes with it. This is from a U.S. Vehicle though..
"...........Also partially visible to the right of the seat is the radio, mounted near the driver's position with a tarp covering the top.
"Another photo (slightly out of focus) from the same vehicle with the British radio connection box shows the view looking forward in this particular vehicle. Notice that the instrument panel is the M3 Medium Tank "Grant/Lee" type common in early vehicles and once again what appears to be a radio is mounted to the left of the driver, up on the track sponson....."
Laters
thathaway3
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Posted: Friday, January 28, 2011 - 09:53 AM UTC
I did some more digging and here's what I found. According to TO&E 6-167 (22 November 1944) which is the Armored Field Artillery Battery (with M7) part of the Armored Field Artillery Battalion assigned to the Armored Divisions, there was 1 Radio Set SCR-506 and 1 Radio Set SCR-508, which were mounted in the M3A2 Half-Track in the Headquarters Section of the Battery (NOT in the Battery Commander's Jeep oddly enough!), 2 Radio Sets, SCR-528, mounted 1 each in the 2 M3A2 Half-Tracks used but the Fire Control Section, and the Reconnaissance Section contained one Jeep which mounted a Radio Set SCR -510 and on M3A2 Half-Track which mounted a Radio Set SCR-528.
Per the TOE, no radios were mounted in US M7s, which given how they were employed is not surprising to me.
Per the TOE, no radios were mounted in US M7s, which given how they were employed is not surprising to me.
Removed by original poster on 01/29/11 - 04:44:53 (GMT).
keithburns
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Posted: Friday, January 28, 2011 - 04:45 PM UTC
Those provide a LOT of info, the AFV interiors site shut down some time ago didn't it? If you have any more that would be great!
Thanks
-keith
Thanks
-keith
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