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Question about M1 Abrams
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011 - 03:16 AM UTC
Hello all, I was looking at some pictures of museum tanks I have accumulated and a question occurred to me: Why doesn't the M1 Abrams use a travel lock for it's main gun? Or am I missing something?
Any answers or SWAGs that can help satisfy my curiosity would be appreciated.
Have a good one, Jeff
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011 - 04:24 AM UTC
It has one but it is internal and consists of two parts that work together but are not connected. One is a gear stop that engages the turret gears and prevents it from rotating. The other locks the gun breach to the inside of the turret roof and keeps the gun from going up or down.
Below is a photo of the lock that prevenst the turret from rotating.

Below is a photo of the lock, on the right side of the photo. A white Y-shaped arm with a black locking pin (with the circular key ring on it connected to a small chain to keep it from getting lost).


Unlike a traditional travel lock that requires a crewman to get out and disconnect, the Abrams can be freed up with a swing of the lever and reaching over to pull the disconnect pin.
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011 - 04:39 AM UTC
I seem to recall the tankers in Germany securing the barrel with chains when they were on railcars but maybe that was just a requirement for rail transport.

Paul
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011 - 05:18 AM UTC

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I seem to recall the tankers in Germany securing the barrel with chains when they were on railcars but maybe that was just a requirement for rail transport.

Paul


That was a German rail transport requirement. We wrapped the tube with cardboard, often sliding an MRE box cover over the tube and used cables and U-bolts to secure it to the rear lifting hooks. They didn't like not being able to see the travel lock locked in place because you can't tell if it was locked or not.
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011 - 06:01 AM UTC
erm, to my knowledge the internal locks has nothing to do with the main gun.
they are safety measures, used to ensure traverse look of the turret in specific cases. the purpose of gun lock, is to prevent damage to the sights / mirrors that are connected to the gun's up & down movements. the apparatuses that form this connection could suffer damage in movement, when the turret is not operational (i.e: the electric traverse and other turret systems are off).

edit: oops, didn't see 2nd photo
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011 - 06:05 AM UTC

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It has one but it is internal and consists of two parts that work together but are not connected. One is a gear stop that engages the turret gears and prevents it from rotating. The other locks the gun breach to the inside of the turret roof and keeps the gun from going up or down.
Below is a photo of the lock that prevenst the turret from rotating.

Below is a photo of the lock, on the right side of the photo. A white Y-shaped arm with a black locking pin (with the circular key ring on it connected to a small chain to keep it from getting lost).


Unlike a traditional travel lock that requires a crewman to get out and disconnect, the Abrams can be freed up with a swing of the lever and reaching over to pull the disconnect pin.



Question about these pictures in particular. Is that an active duty vehicle, or a museum piece? Curious about the rust stains and chipping paint. And what looks to be condensation in the photo.
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011 - 06:08 AM UTC
Thanks for the answers and pictures Sabot. I am more interested in the Abrams every day!
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011 - 07:37 AM UTC

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Question about these pictures in particular. Is that an active duty vehicle, or a museum piece? Curious about the rust stains and chipping paint. And what looks to be condensation in the photo.



It is a tank at a maintenance school that existed to teach mechanics how to remove the engine and transmission from the tank, split them and replace it. It did not run, did not shoot and was really not maintained. After maintenance MOS realignment in the early 2000s, the tanks were supposed to be sent off for AIM rebuild. I do not know if or when that occurred because they were still there when I left in 2005.
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011 - 09:50 AM UTC

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I seem to recall the tankers in Germany securing the barrel with chains when they were on railcars but maybe that was just a requirement for rail transport.

Paul


That was a German rail transport requirement. We wrapped the tube with cardboard, often sliding an MRE box cover over the tube and used cables and U-bolts to secure it to the rear lifting hooks. They didn't like not being able to see the travel lock locked in place because you can't tell if it was locked or not.



Yea, I seem to remember a story about a 3AD M1 whose traverse lock was not engaged or came unlocked in the movement of the train and the turret started spinning, resulting in damage to the tank as well as the Bundesbahn infrastructure (electrical towers, signals, tunnels, trains...) within range (length) of the 105mm gun tube...

Had personal experience with a M577 coming "loose" from its tiedowns on a trip from Ft Knox to Ft Bliss in 1989... The 577 was launched from the train into the Texas countryside, which beatthe crap of out of the gear inside as well as messed up the vehicles. We got it running about 10 days after the Santa Fe RR delivered it to Ft Bliss and we it drove it back on the train for the return to Ft Knox, with a few more chains holding it down...

DJ, do you remember that one???

John C
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011 - 01:09 PM UTC
Man, I was train guard on a train from Ft. Hood to the NTC around March of 92. Every stop that train made the guys a the rail depot gave us tons of food, KFC, cases of soda, you name it. That was a fun three days!
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