Darren Baker shares with us a walk around of the Centurion Tank Destroyer FV4005 Stage 2, 183 mm Self Propelled Anti Tank gun currently on display at Bovington Tank Museum.
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Centurion Conway TankPosted: Saturday, February 19, 2011 - 04:08 AM UTC
C_JACQUEMONT
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Posted: Saturday, February 19, 2011 - 08:34 AM UTC
Is this really a Conway FV 4004? I've built the Accurate Armour conversion and it looks quite different.
I've done a few searches and I think it's actually a FV 4005, not a Conway and a totally different gun.
http://arcaneafvs.com/conway.html
Cheers,
Christophe
I've done a few searches and I think it's actually a FV 4005, not a Conway and a totally different gun.
http://arcaneafvs.com/conway.html
Cheers,
Christophe
Posted: Saturday, February 19, 2011 - 10:17 AM UTC
Sorry guys there is no display with this vehicle and I only know what the staff at Bovington tell me.
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Posted: Saturday, February 19, 2011 - 11:04 PM UTC
Please do some research and correct the title, no need to spread the mistake all over the internet.
Cheers,
Christophe
Cheers,
Christophe
Posted: Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 12:00 AM UTC
No need to be quite so blunt Christophe.
Darren, this site shows pics of both the Bovington examples:
http://arcaneafvs.com/conway.html
Darren, this site shows pics of both the Bovington examples:
http://arcaneafvs.com/conway.html
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Posted: Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 12:59 AM UTC
I gave that link yesterday.
I don't want to be blunt, but does Armorama value credibility and correct mistakes or not? I was under the impression Darren didn't care, maybe I'm wrong, I hope so...
Cheers,
Christophe
I don't want to be blunt, but does Armorama value credibility and correct mistakes or not? I was under the impression Darren didn't care, maybe I'm wrong, I hope so...
Cheers,
Christophe
Posted: Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 01:17 AM UTC
Its only been up 24 hours Christophe, maybe some manners and a little patience would help?
I am certain Darren does care, he does a lot to bring modellers walkarounds and other stuff on this site
I am certain Darren does care, he does a lot to bring modellers walkarounds and other stuff on this site
Posted: Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 04:55 AM UTC
Christophe I am sorry you feel aggrieved by my incorrectly titled walk around (it happens) and it has now been corrected. As I am currently working 12 hour night shifts verifying your information was not something that I had the time to do at that exact moment, I also believed that the staff I had spoken to at Bovington where the best people to identify this vehicle as one of them told me he had crewed it, I was wrong in that belief.
I am unsure Christophe if you are aware but the staff at Armorama and KitMaker Network in general are all volunteers and are not paid at all to provide material and support to the various sites respective memberships. This means the staff here are not always in a position to drop everything when a problem is identified. I hope that you are now happy with this walk around.
Ken and Chris thank you for your support in this matter.
For information the Conway FV 4004 (as shown on the linked site) if it is still at Bovington is not currently on public display. I should also add that my research contradicts the site you have linked to as Staff at Bovington have told me that the original turret of the (4005 as now identified) is in storage, and the turret shown is a replica of that turret. I have no way of verifying that information further.
I am unsure Christophe if you are aware but the staff at Armorama and KitMaker Network in general are all volunteers and are not paid at all to provide material and support to the various sites respective memberships. This means the staff here are not always in a position to drop everything when a problem is identified. I hope that you are now happy with this walk around.
Ken and Chris thank you for your support in this matter.
For information the Conway FV 4004 (as shown on the linked site) if it is still at Bovington is not currently on public display. I should also add that my research contradicts the site you have linked to as Staff at Bovington have told me that the original turret of the (4005 as now identified) is in storage, and the turret shown is a replica of that turret. I have no way of verifying that information further.
Posted: Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 11:18 AM UTC
Darren,
Thanks for these pics of the butt-ugliest tank I've ever seen! Makes you wonder what on earth was so tough it took a 7-inch (gulp!) AT round to knock it out! I suppose the next stage of development was to haul a complete battleship over land to get even bigger guns...
Regards,
Tom
PS: If you're at OnTrack in Folkestone next weekend drop by the Essex MAFVA table and say hi.
Thanks for these pics of the butt-ugliest tank I've ever seen! Makes you wonder what on earth was so tough it took a 7-inch (gulp!) AT round to knock it out! I suppose the next stage of development was to haul a complete battleship over land to get even bigger guns...
Regards,
Tom
PS: If you're at OnTrack in Folkestone next weekend drop by the Essex MAFVA table and say hi.
Posted: Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 11:36 AM UTC
Sorry Tom I will be working all over that weekend. The only thing at the moment I know I will be at is the Tank Fest on the 25/26 June at Bovington.
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:55 AM UTC
hi
its the 183mm gun on a mk 8 gun tank hull not the mk5 hull it was built on.
its the 183mm gun on a mk 8 gun tank hull not the mk5 hull it was built on.
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 05:40 AM UTC
Michael thank you for the additional information. I really like the look of this tank as something really appeals about its look, and that look really projects power.
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 05:49 AM UTC
Darren, I am amazed at the commitment and the work you and the Armorama staff provide here.
Please keep up the great work!
- Jeff
Please keep up the great work!
- Jeff
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 06:51 AM UTC
Thank you Jeff
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 07:03 AM UTC
I have AA's Conway conversion, but I think this one would be a great addition to the Centurion collection. Any chance you could get shots of the turret top at some future date?
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 07:33 AM UTC
Sorry Rob I would need to be about 16 ft tall to do that bud.
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 07:51 AM UTC
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No need to be quite so blunt Christophe.
Darren, this site shows pics of both the Bovington examples:
http://arcaneafvs.com/conway.html
I'd agree here and also with what Darren pointed out, the staff here aren't paid, but take the time and trouble to bring something of value to the site. First you got to get there, then pay to get in, then take the pictuers, then come home, upload them, resize them and then upload them into an article and await publication.
i don't know how many walkabout I've uploaded, but it's a fair few. Somethimes one or two people will say thank you and that's always nice but you can bet you bottom dollar if you make a mistake in the naming of the vehicle someone will spot it straight away . That's good and I've personally changed a few that I got wrong, but you go on the infomration you have either read or been given, unless you know the specific vehicle. Adding hugh amounts of time into research is not something we can all do, or have the time to do. So yes, point out an error and it will get fixed but do it in a nice way, it costs you nothing, does it?
Darren that's an ulgly looking beast for sure. Do you know if any of these ever got past the testing stage?
Thanks
Al
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 09:20 AM UTC
I have found some info in a Centurion book and it would appear to have been a flop as it suffered the same issues as the KV2 when it came to firing, by this I mean level ground and forward facing only. I was told by someone who trialled this vehicle that one ended up on its back when firing, how true that is I have no idea.
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 09:45 AM UTC
Hi Darren,
Thanks, that sound about right!
Al
Thanks, that sound about right!
Al