Okay...I've heard the horror stories from some of those using this line of paints but in my ever search for 'conveniently accessible' paints I'm thinking of giving these a try as using any other line of acrylics will mean mail ordering (I am looking to switching to Vallejo at some point but, for the moment, I'd like to leave mail ordering paints as a last resort). I've been reading quite a bit here and elsewhere and found that some of you have never had and issue with MM Acryl and using alcohol to thin it. So, can I ask what type of alcohol I need to use to get good results with these paints?
Sorry if the question is a bit 'out there' but I've been an enamel junkie all of my modeling life and really know NOTHING about acrylic paints or what's necessary to use them properly. I need a change as the smells from the enamels have become too much to bear so any help here will be appreciated.
Rob
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I have used MM Acryl in the past, and still use it in some cases. I use Tamiya Acrylic thinner most of the time, or the Testors. I prefer the Tamiya. The major problem I find with MM Acryl is when it come to masking, even with a good primer. It does not adhere well. There is a good choice of colors, and it is easy to use. I have a Paasche airbrush and have not had any real problem with it on single color models. It goes down well, and sprays well. If not for the masking issue, I would stick with it. I have switched to Vallejo air for airbrushing, it goes down REAL well, and adheres well. Colors are limited, but it is easy to use.
I beleive paint is a personal preference, you find something that works for you, and stick with it. But there is nothing wrong with experimenting.
Good luck with your decision.
I beleive paint is a personal preference, you find something that works for you, and stick with it. But there is nothing wrong with experimenting.
Good luck with your decision.
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Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 05:10 AM UTC
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I The major problem I find with MM Acryl is when it come to masking, even with a good primer. It does not adhere well.
I have found the same problem. It doesn't matter if you cleaned, scrubbed, etc. A little paint has lifted when removing the blue low tac masking tape. Rubbing alcohol thins just fine but it makes the paint dry super fast. I have heard of using lacquer thinner with the Tamiya acrylics but don't know if it works with the MM brand. I usually put a couple of drops of W & N Flow Improver which makes it flow better. I also like to add Future when I want a semi glossy finish which helps out with decals and pin washes..
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 07:05 AM UTC
Rob,
MM Acryl is another brand I thin with 99¢ a gallon blue windshield washer fluid. It is much better than straight isopropyl alcohol. It keeps the paint from drying on the way to the model and levels it out on the model surface.
MM Acryl is another brand I thin with 99¢ a gallon blue windshield washer fluid. It is much better than straight isopropyl alcohol. It keeps the paint from drying on the way to the model and levels it out on the model surface.
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 07:36 AM UTC
I use mostly Tamiya and some MM. I do thin with alcohol, and I am very very satisfied and used to the way it works. Of course it's not supposed to be any old alcohol, though all across the forum you'll be able to appreciate different people using different types. I use pure alcohol. For some reason also known as denatured alcohol(At least it says on the bottle). It works great. Didn't like how your paint job ended up? 1 quick wipe and it's gone. Cleans my airbrush real well. If you use it, you'll notice the smell of this alcohol is very similar to the smell of the MM and Tamiya paints. I do have to warn you though, once you start using Vallejo, it will not be an option. I've seen several comments on how the paint turns clumpy or gooey when it comes into contact with the alcohol.
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 11:28 AM UTC
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what other brands do you this for?Rob,
MM Acryl is another brand I thin with 99¢ a gallon blue windshield washer fluid. It is much better than straight isopropyl alcohol. It keeps the paint from drying on the way to the model and levels it out on the model surface.
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 11:39 AM UTC
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Quoted Textwhat other brands do you this for?Rob,
MM Acryl is another brand I thin with 99¢ a gallon blue windshield washer fluid. It is much better than straight isopropyl alcohol. It keeps the paint from drying on the way to the model and levels it out on the model surface.
Tamiya, MM Acryl, and Pollyscale.
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 12:09 PM UTC
Matt,thank you, as always I come away from this site having learned something.
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 12:31 PM UTC
You're welcome JT, glad I can help!
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 01:25 PM UTC
with tamiya paints i use isopropyl alcohol and never have a problem
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 01:41 PM UTC
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I have used MM Acryl in the past, and still use it in some cases. I use Tamiya Acrylic thinner most of the time, or the Testors. I prefer the Tamiya. The major problem I find with MM Acryl is when it come to masking, even with a good primer. It does not adhere well. There is a good choice of colors, and it is easy to use. I have a Paasche airbrush and have not had any real problem with it on single color models. It goes down well, and sprays well. If not for the masking issue, I would stick with it. I have switched to Vallejo air for airbrushing, it goes down REAL well, and adheres well. Colors are limited, but it is easy to use.
I beleive paint is a personal preference, you find something that works for you, and stick with it. But there is nothing wrong with experimenting.
Good luck with your decision.
Thank you very much for the info, Kevin! I have heard of MM adherence problems and this, I gather, will be what makes me stick with it or not. I have yet to purchase a bottle of MM acryl but will be doing so next week to experiment with.
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It doesn't matter if you cleaned, scrubbed, etc. A little paint has lifted when removing the blue low tac masking tape. Rubbing alcohol thins just fine but it makes the paint dry super fast. I have heard of using lacquer thinner with the Tamiya acrylics but don't know if it works with the MM brand.
Thanks Ernie! Will have to try and find the real reason why paint is lifting when and if it does but I'm hoping a good primer base (thinking about using Tamiya for this as opposed to lacquer-based primers) will take care of that problem. As for lacquer possibly thinning MM acryl, even if it does I am actually trying to get away from lacquers so I won't be using it at all. I'm trying to find an acrylic solution to my paint selection.
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Rob,
MM Acryl is another brand I thin with 99¢ a gallon blue windshield washer fluid. It is much better than straight isopropyl alcohol. It keeps the paint from drying on the way to the model and levels it out on the model surface.
Thanks, Matt! I will be giving the windshield washing fluid a try for sure as soon as I get some colors home next week. Also, can you tell me how you clean your airbrush after running windshield washer through it? Is it a matter of using Windex and distiller water afterward?
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I use mostly Tamiya and some MM. I do thin with alcohol, and I am very very satisfied and used to the way it works. Of course it's not supposed to be any old alcohol, though all across the forum you'll be able to appreciate different people using different types. I use pure alcohol. For some reason also known as denatured alcohol(At least it says on the bottle). It works great. Didn't like how your paint job ended up? 1 quick wipe and it's gone. Cleans my airbrush real well. If you use it, you'll notice the smell of this alcohol is very similar to the smell of the MM and Tamiya paints. I do have to warn you though, once you start using Vallejo, it will not be an option. I've seen several comments on how the paint turns clumpy or gooey when it comes into contact with the alcohol.
Thanks for the feedback, C. I'll give the pure alcohol a try as well. Plan a trip to the store tomorrow to get some things to experiment with....
Rob
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 02:39 PM UTC
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Thanks, Matt! I will be giving the windshield washing fluid a try for sure as soon as I get some colors home next week. Also, can you tell me how you clean your airbrush after running windshield washer through it? Is it a matter of using Windex and distilled water afterward?
Yes Rob, that is exactly correct.
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Posted: Saturday, March 26, 2011 - 07:21 AM UTC
Don't even waste your time.
Go with Vallejo or Tamiya acrylics. Been there, done that.
Cbreeze
Go with Vallejo or Tamiya acrylics. Been there, done that.
Cbreeze
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Posted: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 08:26 AM UTC
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Don't even waste your time.
Go with Vallejo or Tamiya acrylics. Been there, done that.
Cbreeze
LOL, Charles...I know where you're coming from and believe me I have been told the same exact thing now more than I can count on several different forums. The thing that gets me with these MM Acryl paints is that by some accounts, they are AMAZING! Some people swear by them so I am curious enough to give them a try. If they suck, I'll come back here and make sure i post my displeasure. I bought just two jars today and will try them this weekend. I also bought some Tamiya paints just in case. And, I will most definitely make the switch to Vallejo in the coming weeks (just don't feel like mail ordering paint at the moment).
Rob
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Posted: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 08:31 AM UTC
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Yes Rob, that is exactly correct.
Matt, I purchased this windshield washer fluid from Walmart last weekend:
Is this the correct one? It does not contain a de-icer so I was wondering if it would work.
Thanks in advanced!
Rob
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 07:24 AM UTC
Hi all, my first post and I am curious...I never used acrylics before either and always thought that as they were water-solutable, you could thin them with water and use water to clean your airbrush. I just ordered a whole load of MM acrylics (due to price) and currently I am painting Soviet WW2 armor, which is solid color anyways. The problem I have is that my enamel paint clogs my Aztek A470 (please no slamming this airbrush:) and I do not have the equipment here to keep it clean. I just PCS'ed (Army) to TN and leftthe majority ofl my modelling supplies in Germany. And as my wife put me on a budget, new toys must be cheap and affordable Danny .
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 08:13 AM UTC
Blimey;
First - Welcome Home, Soldier! I served a hitch over in the FRG back in 75... I too DEROS'd and left my model stuff there... Oh, and the 1st Shirt keeps me on a budget still!
I use the ModelMaster acryls and enamels in various AB. The acryls work really well for me thinned with a mix of distilled water and isopropyl alcohol (I buy the cheapo 91% isoprop at the WalMart). Using that auto windshield blue stuff works, too, though I'm sensitive to its adding some blueness to some colors... so I use it where it cannot change stuff much!
I always go for over 50% thinning agent - whether straight distilled H20 or alky or blue stuff. I like to keep the paint thin, and go on lightly.
Bob
First - Welcome Home, Soldier! I served a hitch over in the FRG back in 75... I too DEROS'd and left my model stuff there... Oh, and the 1st Shirt keeps me on a budget still!
I use the ModelMaster acryls and enamels in various AB. The acryls work really well for me thinned with a mix of distilled water and isopropyl alcohol (I buy the cheapo 91% isoprop at the WalMart). Using that auto windshield blue stuff works, too, though I'm sensitive to its adding some blueness to some colors... so I use it where it cannot change stuff much!
I always go for over 50% thinning agent - whether straight distilled H20 or alky or blue stuff. I like to keep the paint thin, and go on lightly.
Bob
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 03:24 PM UTC
Danny,
Yep, I thin MM Acryl 50/50 with windshield washer. The blue does not tint the paint color, even with white paint. Clean the airbrush with Windex, then run distilled water through it to rinse out the Windex.
Not all acrylics are water based.'
Keep a little cup of Windex on your bench with a Q-Tip in it. If the nozzle clogs, clean the needle/nozzle off with the Q-Tip and resume spraying.
Yep, I thin MM Acryl 50/50 with windshield washer. The blue does not tint the paint color, even with white paint. Clean the airbrush with Windex, then run distilled water through it to rinse out the Windex.
Not all acrylics are water based.'
Keep a little cup of Windex on your bench with a Q-Tip in it. If the nozzle clogs, clean the needle/nozzle off with the Q-Tip and resume spraying.
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 04:34 PM UTC
No probs. I just got the windshield washer fluid (same as in photo from Wally-World) and a bottle of MM Dark Green Acrylics. What surprised me was the color difference between the Enamel and Acrylic paint. The Acrylic is much lighter then the Enamel Dark Green. I have a feeling my tank might be to light when done. Maybe the fact that I primed with black automotive primer will help darken the paint a tad. Well, we will see tomorrow
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Posted: Sunday, May 29, 2011 - 12:30 PM UTC
Yeahhh, it worked I think. Well my T-35 is sorta green, though real runny, BUT, the black undercoating is showing through and making it look very nicely grungy. So hurray for windshield washer fluid and MM .
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Posted: Sunday, May 29, 2011 - 12:57 PM UTC
I never suggest or recommend a technique, tool, or product unless I use it myself and have found it to be the best of all I have tried, and I have tried a lot of stuff over the decades.
I always like to try or learn something new though. It keeps things interesting.
I always like to try or learn something new though. It keeps things interesting.
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Posted: Sunday, May 29, 2011 - 01:58 PM UTC
Well Sir, you have taught me a lesson in patience, if nothing else, lol. I am used to slap paint on in a single, thick, gooey layer. Not this time. Danny
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Posted: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - 08:02 AM UTC
Please excuse me for this question, but so if I understand correctly you CAN use lacquer thinner to thin Tamiya Acrilics??? I have always used alcohol but this is certainly interesting. I usually reserve the lacquer thinner for thinning Mr. Surfacer 1200 for priming....very interesting!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - 08:23 AM UTC
I have used MM enamel and acryl and Tamiya acryl and some acryl paints from the hardware store. I have only ever had one problem with lifting, but that was due to poor plastic prep. I use IPA to thin Tamiya, paint thinner for enamel and distilled water for MM acryl. I usually mix at 60:40 thinner to paint.
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Posted: Thursday, June 02, 2011 - 05:41 AM UTC
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Please excuse me for this question, but so if I understand correctly you CAN use lacquer thinner to thin Tamiya Acrilics??? I have always used alcohol but this is certainly interesting. I usually reserve the lacquer thinner for thinning Mr. Surfacer 1200 for priming....very interesting!
I can't speak for all lacquer thinners (as those sold at Home Depot, etc), but I have indeed used, successfully, Tamiya's lacquer thinner (yellow cap) to thin Tamiya paint. In fact, the paint comes out way smoother using lacquer thinner then does using their acrylic/alcohol thinner. I know Adam Wilder, Mike Rinaldi, and others also use/have used this combo...and they recommend it highly.
Rob