_GOTOBOTTOM
Armor/AFV: Techniques
From Weathering to making tent rolls, discuss it here.
Hosted by Darren Baker
How to attach bushes on tank as camo
TheLosers
Visit this Community
Visayas, Philippines
Joined: June 06, 2005
KitMaker: 47 posts
Armorama: 28 posts
Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 03:47 AM UTC
I'm almost done with my Sd.Kfz. Ferdinand and I am planning to attach bushes as camo. How do they do it on real tanks and applying it on modelled armour kits?
SdAufKla
Visit this Community
South Carolina, United States
Joined: May 07, 2010
KitMaker: 2,238 posts
Armorama: 2,158 posts
Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 04:06 AM UTC
Ariel,

The crews would use wire, rope, netting, convienent vehicle fixtures (lifting eyes, tie downs, etc), or all of the above to hold natural camouflage materials. The material would have to be fixed so as to not fall off during movement. A common method might be to trim some of the branches to form hooks which could be inserted into or under the fixing / holding point.

Keep in mind that except for static maintainence or assembly areas (where no combat is expected), any on-vehicle stowage, including camouflage, would be arranged to not interfere with or block vision devices, weapons, crew hatches, turret or gun traverse, and would not touch antennas (causing signal grounding problems). These were matters of life and death for the crews and haphazard or dangerous stowage would not be allowed by tank commnaders and other crew members. So, model stowage should follow the same general rules.

Here's a model example:

Operation Tractable

HTH,
TheLosers
Visit this Community
Visayas, Philippines
Joined: June 06, 2005
KitMaker: 47 posts
Armorama: 28 posts
Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 04:44 AM UTC
Thanks mike, really appreciate it. As we speak, I've already saved it in my reference materials.
Removed by original poster on 05/01/11 - 16:09:12 (GMT).
bill_c
Staff MemberCampaigns Administrator
MODEL SHIPWRIGHTS
Visit this Community
New Jersey, United States
Joined: January 09, 2008
KitMaker: 10,553 posts
Armorama: 8,109 posts
Posted: Monday, May 02, 2011 - 03:04 AM UTC
They also used foliage loops. Tiger Models has them.
GLAARG
Visit this Community
United States
Joined: August 05, 2013
KitMaker: 25 posts
Armorama: 17 posts
Posted: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 - 09:40 AM UTC
What I would like to ask is how you mimic Evergreen boughs and cut turf as 'Yeti' level camouflage. I have to assume it's partly to aid with thermal sight masking and partly 'because we can' as the tanks are so powerful and the exercises so specific, relative to where and when they are captured on film-

Tree Branches
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b5/c2/44/b5c244c6be88e639b43bbba0751ba436.jpg

http://www.gmfus.org/sites/default/files/styles/hero_header/public/images/Leopard_2A6%2C_PzBtl_104.jpg?itok=LBi9CSni


Cut Turf
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/40/19/3d/40193d744458bc44731d7d49f43f4891.jpg


But I have never seen this done believably on a modern tank model at this level and as it becomes more and more common IRL, the question becomes whether it is possible to accurately replicate the look without resin.

I can certainly understand wrapping a gun barrel in 'netting' (gauze bandage) fragments and then tying Hessian droops to or threading foliage through the net.

But my investigation has shown that the standard railroad approach of making evergreens by trapping pulled apart twine between wire and twisting the wire with a drill to spread the fibers around the circumference before going with the Hairspray and Flocking treatment, simply does not look accurate in scales above HO.

Some of the Bachmann Products trees show a fair bit of individual needles and come as large as 1/48th which means you might be able to fudge with a tree replicating a limb etc.


http://www.trainsetsonly.com/page/TSO/PROD/160-32112?gclid=Cj0KEQjwk-jGBRCbxoPLld_bp-IBEiQAgJaftVUxdz05OET6gtvOl01-IopjQSelSNGzt90lv3uGQHIaAlOC8P8HAQ

But that's a lot of 10 dollar tree packages for the kind of thick coverages shown above.

And so the question remains: are there better solutions?

And what have you used before?


Thanks.
firstcircle
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Joined: November 19, 2008
KitMaker: 2,249 posts
Armorama: 2,007 posts
Posted: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 - 05:46 PM UTC
Glaarg, with reference to the last part of your post, the pre-made trees and the expense of using them. If you think that the static grass / flocking finish might be acceptable, then it seems to me that for your purposes it would be better to buy a static grass applicator and do your own flocking on to your own custom made boughs. As well as probably being cheaper it would allow you to make the boughs to the size and shape that you want rather than trying to cut up, adapt and bend pre-made trees. Your branches could be shaped to fit on to the model before the foliage is added. It would also allow you to use different lengths of fibre in order to achieve variation and particular types of tree bough.

The railroad method you describe of twirling twine etc. is, I would think, partly used by railroad modellers that want to create large numbers of trees that are to be placed in a forest, so they are not so bothered by the appearance of many of them as only the tops are visible, and they want a quick method. If you want trees to have variety and look individual then basically you need to custom build each one, probably from wood and wire and some sort of coating to achieve the overall wood / bark look. It seems to me that this is more like the approach you would need to follow.

It may be that others think that the flocking type appearance is not as good as some kind of textured sculpt from putty, resin etc., and I wouldn't argue with anyone on that. Natural materials like this are without doubt much harder to model than man-made items, and it all depends on what you mean by "believably"...

Don't know if that helps at all.

Biggles2
Visit this Community
Quebec, Canada
Joined: January 01, 2004
KitMaker: 7,600 posts
Armorama: 6,110 posts
Posted: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 - 08:23 PM UTC
You could try stuff like this: http://www.abeautifuldifference.com/airfern.JPG
You could even grow your own and harvest it!
Frenchy
Visit this Community
Rhone, France
Joined: December 02, 2002
KitMaker: 12,719 posts
Armorama: 12,507 posts
Posted: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 - 12:45 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Keep in mind that except for static maintainence or assembly areas (where no combat is expected), any on-vehicle stowage, including camouflage, would be arranged to not interfere with or block vision devices, weapons, crew hatches, turret or gun traverse, and would not touch antennas (causing signal grounding problems).







H.P.
GLAARG
Visit this Community
United States
Joined: August 05, 2013
KitMaker: 25 posts
Armorama: 17 posts
Posted: Thursday, May 11, 2017 - 04:37 AM UTC
Thanks FC,

I came across a product from a railroad models company called 'The Scene Factory' which is actual, preserved fern leaves and appears to match an evergreen bough fairly closely.

May do the trick.
 _GOTOTOP