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Primer for PE and metal, what is best?
Bizarre
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 12:36 AM UTC
I am not very satisfied with Tamiya liquid surface primer (or maybe I do smth wrong?) so I am looking into more specific products like Tamiya metal primer and Mr. Metal primer.
What are you experiences? What's best. Looking forward to comments.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 09:29 AM UTC
04090
Hi Bizarre Vallejo do a gray primer and it is good for Photo Etch
and it shrinks to the contours of your kit
hope this helps.
yours cyril
Paul-H
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 09:52 AM UTC
Hi

Most problems with primers not sticking properly can be traced back to in-proper or no cleaning prior to painting, PE often has a protective coating that needs to be cleaned off before painting.

If you have cleaned it and still getting problems then using an acid etch primer will solve your problems.

Hope this was of help

Paul
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 01:03 PM UTC
Make sure your model is washed with Windex and rinsed in water before priming. Vallejo primers are the best I have used and cover plastic, PE, and resin equally excellent for a consistent finish and preservation of detail.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 01:49 PM UTC
Roman:

2 cents from a different "primer?" camp:

Actually, any of the better modeling enamels will work well as a "primer" on a clean kit and on clean brass (lead foil, aluminum, etc.). The key is being clean, as folks have previously mentioned. Using the "windex" Matt mentioned above works well for me, too.

I "prime" most of my builds with Floquil RailRoad Colors enamels - made specially for small-scale metal things (model RR stuff) - these paints have ultra-fine pigments and adhere super-well to everything (at least cleaner everythings!). Alternatively, I have had great success "priming" (applying as my first or base coat) using Testors ModelMaster enamels.

To me, primers usefully double as "pre-shading" when I use some color-contrast to my base coat. So I LOVE Floquil's Engine Black!

Just my maybe contrarian opinion, gents!

Bob
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 07:44 PM UTC
thanks to everyone for answering!



Quoted Text

Gunze mr. metal primer is ok, not as durable as blacken-it but pretty decent. I get the bottles with a brush, dilute it with Gunze lacquer thinner and spray it with an airbrush. Does not take a thick coat, and I spray the entire model with it so it acts as a prime for everything.

which one is that?
retiredyank
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Posted: Friday, May 06, 2011 - 10:52 AM UTC
I find ColorPlace grey primer works fine on pe. I've just recently covered a model with aluminum gun barrel and full brass pe set and it has turned out great.
Bizarre
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Posted: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - 09:12 PM UTC
Thanks for you replies, all. I ordered Mr. Metal primer and Gunze laquer thinner. Will have the possibility to test that next week!
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Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 - 10:28 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Roman:

2 cents from a different "primer?" camp:

Actually, any of the better modeling enamels will work well as a "primer" on a clean kit and on clean brass (lead foil, aluminum, etc.). The key is being clean, as folks have previously mentioned. Using the "windex" Matt mentioned above works well for me, too.

I "prime" most of my builds with Floquil RailRoad Colors enamels - made specially for small-scale metal things (model RR stuff) - these paints have ultra-fine pigments and adhere super-well to everything (at least cleaner everythings!). Alternatively, I have had great success "priming" (applying as my first or base coat) using Testors ModelMaster enamels.

To me, primers usefully double as "pre-shading" when I use some color-contrast to my base coat. So I LOVE Floquil's Engine Black!

Just my maybe contrarian opinion, gents!

Bob


I'm with Bob on this. I believe primers are overused by modelers, and one that can double as a painted surface is welcome.
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