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Posted: Sunday, May 29, 2011 - 05:33 AM UTC

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Now if they were to re-issue their Fast Attack Vehicle.....

RE-issue?... They never released it. It only existed as an image in their catalogs.


I thought they released a limited run. Oh well, I guess that the Hobby Boss one will have to suffice.


Are you thinking about the *resin* HobbyFan "Delta Force" FAV? That is a totally different vehicle and story.


Hobby Fan I mean. Could be. I swear I saw one built up ages ago. It could have been resin though. Regardless, I think it's a neat little vehicle that I'd love to see in plastic.
ninjrk
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Posted: Sunday, May 29, 2011 - 06:17 AM UTC

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A classic business analysis issue....

This is still so odd because Concord Publications is part of Dragon so Dragon does have the resources and references to draw from, not to mention that other action doll companies have already made modern SEAL Team 6 dolls anyway. The information and photos have been out there for years. Just some company needs to translate those modern dolls into plastic figures. And even so, those dolls will probably be better gunned, geared, and equipped than the plastic figure anyway!

The independent resin companies have made modern figures by using nothing but photos on the internet---and some of those figures are pretty darn accurate.

Besides the "labor is cheaper overseas" argument, this goes to show how The West is dependent on overseas for yet another consumer product and hoping they get it correct. Odd how the USA doesn't have its own model-making company to get such "USA products" correct even though the USA has the references.


I suspect that this release has far more to do with the publicity shelf life. In 3 months nobody will remember the SEALs or Operation Geronimo. So an accurate new-tool set released then won't have the free advertising. Since the majority of people who would buy the set based on the news has no clue what the difference is, they'll make money with no investment save new boxes. It sounds like a solid business move to me, even though I won't be buying them.

Matt
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Posted: Monday, May 30, 2011 - 03:13 AM UTC

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is it a sea hawk or a black hawk derivative?
Yea, I was hoping they would do some 1/35 new stuff, but the helicopter is cool


does that really matter? the only piece on that thing that would look like the real thing is the tail rotor...


I don't mind.... They have some good educated guesses. I like what if subjects.
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Posted: Monday, May 30, 2011 - 04:22 AM UTC
Cheers Dragon, im sure everyone will be happy to commemorate SEAL Team 6's exploits by breathing deep sighs of disapointment at the re-issue of an obscure collection of figures.
Lame with a capital M
Bring on some fresh stuff lads.. Modern, ISAF, something that isnt associated with WW2 Germany, it WOULD sell if they pulled their fingers out and gave it a try.
RKinsella
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Posted: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - 08:41 AM UTC
Tacky, Cheap & ignorant ..way to go Dragon, just gives me another reason not to buy those junk kits!
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Posted: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 - 07:51 PM UTC

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One of their most famous operations to date occurred on May 2, 2011, when SEAL Team 6 performed a covert penetration by helicopter in Pakistan. The target was none other than the USA’s most wanted fugitive – Osama bin Laden, the terrorist mastermind behind the deadly 9-11 attacks in the USA. The 40-man team was inserted into Abbottabad by helicopter, and it then proceeded to assault bin Laden’s fortified compound.


From DragonUSA website . Now, in a slight nod of fairness to DML, at least they didn't make an attempt to copyright the name 'SEAL Team 6' unluke the Disney corporation. Why they tried to do it is beyond me - perhaps an Osama Bin Laden Magic Kingdom in their parks or perhaps just a nod to part of Kubrick's soundtrack in Full Metal Jacket?

Whatever, it's tacky as hell - from both sets of 'Imagineers'
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 11:06 AM UTC
I'm pretty baffled as to what the issue is with these figures tbh?

Tasteless? Erm, surely no worse than the countless Nazi storm troopers and armored killing machines Dragon already produce.

Inaccurate? Who gives a damn, this boxing clearly isnt designed the mature modeler with accuracy in mind.

An attempt to make a quick buck? Erm, yes! Dragon are a company whose primary aim is to turnover a profit and make money are they not.


I really dont understand all the winging moaning about these figures. No one is forcing you to buy them and frankly if it means some kid is going to pick them up in a hobbystore cos they look cool and he heard about the SEAL's on TV, and then gets hooked on modelling that can only be a good thing. I think some of us on this site (am im guilty of it in the past) get too hung up on thinking that modelling companies are there to produce something appealing to every little niche interest we all have. Dragon probably have a shed load of these old molds laying around so why the hell would they not box them and churn them out to make money, it makes perfect business sense.
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 12:23 PM UTC
O.K. fact #1. Dragon is a buisness and the buisness end is to make a profit. #2, they reissued old figures in the spirit of the operation, to make money. #3, It would take more time and money to come up with new figures of modern seals with new era weapons. #4 By the time that was accomplished it would have been some time well past and the novelty would have worn off. #5, It made sence buisness wise. #6, Us modelers who have the old sets don't need to purchase them. #7, new modelers might not have them and they are not bad figures by any means. We all started out with a kit from somewhere and sometime and really, did it matter that it was or was not accurate, we had fun. It just was a dissapointment for us modelers that a new set didn't hit the market right away, but time may come when they do release a set for this opperation. If they do and they are good, I'll P/U my standard two sets. Everything is not a winner all the time and as far as some of us are concerned, they missed this one. Better luck next time. And I don't think it makes them tacky or loosers either. If they don't make money, they don't stay in buisness, and then where would we be?
lestweforget
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2011 - 10:42 PM UTC
Bob/Rob.
You both make perfect sense, from a business standpoint why wouldn't dragon re-issue these, possibly earn them a few bob, and yep your also right when you say it might catch some lads eye and get him hooked on modelling which is a fantastic thing.

But i know that as for myself, i'm not a young boy picking up his first kit, nor am i a Third Reich enthusiast... in their defence, they've put out a few allied figure sets here and there recently, but are as always completely outnumbered by the goose steppers... What im getting at is im just over DML pumping out pish kits.
I know they wont change that just because i'd love to see some kits that would never be worth there while making, but i still reserve the right to have a good old whinge.
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Posted: Saturday, June 04, 2011 - 01:24 AM UTC
Bob, Rob, sorry, I tought that our posts was what you call in your country freedom of speech, expressing different point of view. What do you expect, that we say "hell yeah, dragon released a very nice set that eveyone of us found fantastic".
As Dave mentioned, we are not kids. Armorama is not a network for kids. So don't be surprised if we don't like this kit.
K.
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Posted: Saturday, June 04, 2011 - 06:00 AM UTC

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Bob, Rob, sorry, I tought that our posts was what you call in your country freedom of speech, expressing different point of view. What do you expect, that we say "hell yeah, dragon released a very nice set that eveyone of us found fantastic".
As Dave mentioned, we are not kids. Armorama is not a network for kids. So don't be surprised if we don't like this kit.
K.



I dont mind conflicting view points, I wasnt having a go at that. Simply the fact that some people dont seem to understand the point of this release, I was merely pointing out that is some logic behind this release.

I think its a crap release as well, and generally find all of DML's releases lame and uninteresting. But from a business point of view, as i stated, it makes sense.
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Posted: Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 07:33 AM UTC
Verlinden releases a SEAL Team kit made of figure parts from their existing figure kits. While not totally accurate to the SEALs, I suppose this kit will be helpful to someone somewhere...

http://www.verlindenonline.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=2121
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