Hi all
Does anyone use Tamiya's enamel paint and it's thinner X20?
I just wonder if that X20 is the same thing as whitespirit.
any help will be appreciated
Eric
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Problem about Tamiya Thinner
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2011 - 04:52 AM UTC
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2011 - 05:24 AM UTC
i don't think so, it seems like its own thing.
I have found that using tamiya thinner maintains the glossiness of their paints, using alcohol changes it a bit. it seems to be its own formulation.
I try to use the thinner form the paint manufacturer, as it has always given me the best results. just my opinion though.
I have found that using tamiya thinner maintains the glossiness of their paints, using alcohol changes it a bit. it seems to be its own formulation.
I try to use the thinner form the paint manufacturer, as it has always given me the best results. just my opinion though.
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2011 - 05:37 AM UTC
It is not white spirit.
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2011 - 07:50 AM UTC
Hi there, I have used Mode Master and Tamiya enamels for quite some time and only used MINERAL SPIRITS to thin them for airbrushing and handpainting and worked great for me. I've never used brand thinners so I can give you an opinion on that. Nowadays I almost exclusively use acrylics and ISOPROPYLIC alcohol to thin them. As they mention before maybe they flattent the paint a bit but after all, most likely you will apply some weathering or lacquer on top for decaling so no problems at all...hope it helps... 
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2011 - 12:45 PM UTC
If you are using Tamiya ENAMEL in the square bottles, then X-20A is the wrong thinner. X-20A is for Tamiya's acrylic line.
If you have enamels, you can use white spirit. If you have acrylics, in the round jars, then X-20A is the thinner for them. For Tamiya acrylics, I personally use blue windshield washer fluid.
If you have enamels, you can use white spirit. If you have acrylics, in the round jars, then X-20A is the thinner for them. For Tamiya acrylics, I personally use blue windshield washer fluid.
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2011 - 02:02 PM UTC
Thanks for ur answers
Maybe Tamiya's enamel paints are not widely used in non-Asian countries.
To Matthew
I'm using the square bottled ones. I mean X20 not X20A
this X20 is for enamel paint, so i just wonder if it has any difference from whitespirit
Maybe Tamiya's enamel paints are not widely used in non-Asian countries.
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If you are using Tamiya ENAMEL in the square bottles, then X-20A is the wrong thinner. X-20A is for Tamiya's acrylic line.
If you have enamels, you can use white spirit. If you have acrylics, in the round jars, then X-20A is the thinner for them. For Tamiya acrylics, I personally use blue windshield washer fluid.
To Matthew
I'm using the square bottled ones. I mean X20 not X20A
this X20 is for enamel paint, so i just wonder if it has any difference from whitespirit
clovis899
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2011 - 04:25 PM UTC
Eric,
You are correct in that Tamiya enamels are about as rare as hen's teeth (very very hard to find) outside of Asia. I have been modeling over thirty years and have never ever seen them available in either a hobby shop or from an on-line shop located in the West. With that I would guess that most of us outside of Asia would have only the sketchiest of an idea as to what would work best. Good luck in getting this figured out.
Rick Cooper
You are correct in that Tamiya enamels are about as rare as hen's teeth (very very hard to find) outside of Asia. I have been modeling over thirty years and have never ever seen them available in either a hobby shop or from an on-line shop located in the West. With that I would guess that most of us outside of Asia would have only the sketchiest of an idea as to what would work best. Good luck in getting this figured out.
Rick Cooper
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2011 - 04:50 PM UTC
Eric,
Oh,okay. No, Tamiya enamels are not even available in the US.
But yes, the X-20 thinner is just odorless white spirit that you can buy by the gallon at the home improvement stores.
Oh,okay. No, Tamiya enamels are not even available in the US.
But yes, the X-20 thinner is just odorless white spirit that you can buy by the gallon at the home improvement stores.
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2011 - 06:20 PM UTC
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Eric,
Oh,okay. No, Tamiya enamels are not even available in the US.
But yes, the X-20 thinner is just odorless white spirit that you can buy by the gallon at the home improvement stores.
thanks Matthew,
alright,so X20 is whitespirit/mineral spirit.
another question, about mineral spirit , how long does ti take to dry?
I got some from art store, it dries really slow when applying it on my armor, nearly 24hs. does different brand affects?
Pookie
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2011 - 06:22 PM UTC
thanks Rick
it's sad that humbrol is not available here in China.
it's sad that humbrol is not available here in China.
SSGToms
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 05:31 AM UTC
Mineral spirits should dry in a matter of hours, overnight at the latest. What brand and type are you using?
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 02:36 PM UTC
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Mineral spirits should dry in a matter of hours, overnight at the latest. What brand and type are you using?
a french brand" Pebeo"
and it seems this mineral spirit can dissolve the joint of glued parts,
this is what happened to my track
SSGToms
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 03:44 PM UTC
Hmmm. I've never seen mineral spirit fail to dry, or debond parts. I've seen turpentine do that, which is why I advise not using turpentine. It seems that this brand may be too strong. Try another brand if you can.
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Posted: Monday, May 30, 2011 - 12:00 AM UTC
I tried isopropyl alcohol to thin Tamiya acrylic paint once... wasnt too bad but did congeal a little, so I'll stick with Tamiyas own thinner as previous caller mentioned... better results.
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Posted: Monday, May 30, 2011 - 12:11 AM UTC
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Quoted TextMineral spirits should dry in a matter of hours, overnight at the latest. What brand and type are you using?
a french brand" Pebeo"
and it seems this mineral spirit can dissolve the joint of glued parts,
this is what happened to my track
That's really strange!
How did you glue the tracks?
Anyway, change mineral spirit label and think positive...You found a way to detach pieces mounted in a wrong way
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Posted: Monday, May 30, 2011 - 02:59 AM UTC
I don't know about the odorless mineral spirits, but to me, Tamiya's X-20 enamel thinner smells exactly like regular mineral spirits. Regular mineral spirits seems to work ok with Tamiya enamels for me. (We have the enamels here in Australia too).
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Posted: Monday, May 30, 2011 - 03:11 PM UTC
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I don't know about the odorless mineral spirits, but to me, Tamiya's X-20 enamel thinner smells exactly like regular mineral spirits. Regular mineral spirits seems to work ok with Tamiya enamels for me. (We have the enamels here in Australia too).
hi Phil
so you mean the X20 and regular mineral spirits are nearly the same thing.
i'll try it next time. BTW,how long dose X20 take to dry?
Eric
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Posted: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - 01:40 AM UTC
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how long dose X20 take to dry?
Hi Eric,
When airbrushed, typically it will be "touch dry" in minutes using X-20 thinner or regular mineral spirits.
You can also use Tamiya lacquer thinner. (works with both Tamiya enamels and acrylics). Slightly longer to dry, but can also be counted in minutes.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - 01:58 AM UTC
Thanks Phil
good info
Eric
good info
Eric
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Posted: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - 09:21 AM UTC
IT IS NOT WHITE SPIRIT!!!
White spirit is used to thin enamels.
If you are having trouble finding Tamiya's X-20.........Look for Mr Hobby thinner or you can get away with using isopropal alcohol but it doesnt work all that well. Causes pebbling as the paint will dry before it hits the surface of the model.
White spirit is used to thin enamels.
If you are having trouble finding Tamiya's X-20.........Look for Mr Hobby thinner or you can get away with using isopropal alcohol but it doesnt work all that well. Causes pebbling as the paint will dry before it hits the surface of the model.
SSGToms
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Posted: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - 01:02 PM UTC
Iain, they're talking about Tamiya ENAMELS, and X20 enamel thinner.
You're thinking acrylics and X20A acrylic thinner.
You're thinking acrylics and X20A acrylic thinner.
collin26
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Posted: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - 05:41 PM UTC
My bad guys. That will teach me to read each post a bit more carefully! 
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