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Unwanted Paint Chipping Problem
lunkprab
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Posted: Friday, June 10, 2011 - 06:56 PM UTC
Hello guys, I am new in modelling, I ve built a AFV club tiger tank 1/48. I ve painted it with Tamiya Spray-Can TS-3. The problem is, if i touch the model, the paint will chip easily. The model itself is not oily, Ive already clean it before.

Here is the picture

The yellow line show the chipping area, the sideskirt one is the severe part, because when I pick up my model, I always touch that part. Please Ignore my black part of wheels, its just my marker that swept easily.

Any suggestion? Did I need to primer it first before paint it?
lukiftian
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Posted: Friday, June 10, 2011 - 07:05 PM UTC
Humidity perhaps?

Please post the photo again, I'm getting a broken link.
lunkprab
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Posted: Friday, June 10, 2011 - 07:09 PM UTC
hope this work:
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Posted: Friday, June 10, 2011 - 07:38 PM UTC
did you primer the model or give it a base coat? I have encountered the same problem with some of Revell's models. Primer will chemically bond with plastic and will allow paint to bond with it.
lunkprab
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Posted: Friday, June 10, 2011 - 08:25 PM UTC
No I didnt. The plastic and the paint looks not bond together, it feels either the type of plastic is special or the paint need more thinner. Since the paint is Tamiya TS-3 spray can which is thinner build in, i thought it suppose to have no problem. Probably the type of the plastic itself reject the bond, i am not sure.
So, primer is the best solution for now
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Friday, June 10, 2011 - 08:40 PM UTC
Well

Priming the model can avoid this kind of problems but, it seeams to me quite strange what happened to you because you painted it with a spray can
Tamiya spray cans are lacquer paints. Lacquer paints usually are more aggressive with plastic surfaces so usually they grip on the kit parts in a stronger way

So, why didn't grip your paint?

What did you use to clean your model?

Perhaps did you touch it before the complete drying time?
lunkprab
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Posted: Friday, June 10, 2011 - 08:51 PM UTC
pardon me, what do you mean with why I didnt grip my paint?
Only wipe with cloth and tissue before start to paint it, to wipe the dust and other dirt. I am waiting a day to dry, because my model before this have a paint fingerprints,lol.
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Posted: Friday, June 10, 2011 - 09:18 PM UTC

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pardon me, what do you mean with why I didnt grip my paint?
Only wipe with cloth and tissue before start to paint it, to wipe the dust and other dirt. I am waiting a day to dry, because my model before this have a paint fingerprints,lol.



I wonder why the paint didn't bond on your model.

Didn't you clean it with alcohol or with a home degreaser?

Maybe your problem is due by invisible grease stains remained on your model

Grease avoid the good paint gripping. I had a similar problem in the past.

Now I always wash my models before painting with alcohol or dish soap and i rinse them on water

I hope this is useful
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Posted: Saturday, June 11, 2011 - 01:30 AM UTC
Just to interject a little more into the conversation, it seems an interesting dilemma. My first thought was a primer coat should have been applied initially. I always prime my models, always. That being said, I never "degrease" my models prior to paint, either. I've been building seriously/professionally for about 20 years and I have never, ever cleaned a model before applying paint. I always spray my models with air from my airbrush immeiately before painting - just to chase away those little dust specks. But I have never wiped down or doused my models with alcohol, etc.
I do wonder, however, if an extended drying period (maybe many, many days) was needed on the model in question, given Ulung's location. I have to feel humidity had to have affected the paint in some way as I routinuely use Tamiya lacquers from the can for small jobs and have never had any issues such as we are speaking of.

Interesting .....
Kirchoff
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Posted: Saturday, June 11, 2011 - 01:42 AM UTC
Thanks for all replies, probably the first safe step to do is using primer next time, since its a common way and leave it dry for more times. It never comes in my mind that humidity can affect that high since I live at town, not a rain forest but it make sense though.
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Posted: Saturday, June 11, 2011 - 04:41 AM UTC

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chances your paint was too dry by the time they reached the model surface. (too far, or spray can pressure uneven,

no one said spray can was supposed to work



The Tamiya spray cans work just fine for base coats.
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Posted: Saturday, June 11, 2011 - 05:02 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Just to interject a little more into the conversation, it seems an interesting dilemma. My first thought was a primer coat should have been applied initially. I always prime my models, always. That being said, I never "degrease" my models prior to paint, either. I've been building seriously/professionally for about 20 years and I have never, ever cleaned a model before applying paint. I always spray my models with air from my airbrush immeiately before painting - just to chase away those little dust specks. But I have never wiped down or doused my models with alcohol, etc.
I do wonder, however, if an extended drying period (maybe many, many days) was needed on the model in question, given Ulung's location. I have to feel humidity had to have affected the paint in some way as I routinuely use Tamiya lacquers from the can for small jobs and have never had any issues such as we are speaking of.

Interesting .....
Kirchoff



Hi Mike,

Perhaps do you works wearing latex gloves?

Wearing with latex gloves reduces a lot the grease remains on the model.
Or perhaps my hands sweat too much

Cheers
lunkprab
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Posted: Saturday, June 11, 2011 - 06:05 AM UTC
@ Mauro: I never clean the model with alcohol before. Is clean the model with alcohol wont damage the plastic? If so, next time I will combine everything
I will clean the model with alcohol, put the primer, wait for dry with more time, and so on.
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Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2011 - 02:25 AM UTC

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@ Mauro: I never clean the model with alcohol before. Is clean the model with alcohol wont damage the plastic? If so, next time I will combine everything
I will clean the model with alcohol, put the primer, wait for dry with more time, and so on.



No, common alcohol (pink alcohol) doesn't damage plastic. Of course you mustn't use for that the high grade Isopropyl alcohol.

I usually clean with alcohol the model passing a soft brush.
After then I rinse it on tap water (being careful to use a low water pressure), and I let the air dry it

Sometime, when the model is filthy, i soake it in a basin full of a mixture of water and dish soap. I leave it for at least a quarter of hour and then i soak it in another basin full of water for another quarter of hour. Eventally I let the air dry it
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Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2011 - 09:35 AM UTC

My opinion is this -

It was caused by finger grease,

Wheels and the edges of mudguards are classic areas for this problem, because when you hold, move, pick up, and handle models you tend touch these area's.
lunkprab
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Posted: Saturday, June 25, 2011 - 03:40 PM UTC

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My opinion is this -

It was caused by finger grease,

Wheels and the edges of mudguards are classic areas for this problem, because when you hold, move, pick up, and handle models you tend touch these area's.



Sorry long time for the reply. Yes, thats very make sense, me myself sometimes get my hand dirty and oily, so i am sure its why only those area get severe chipping. Thanks
lukiftian
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Posted: Saturday, June 25, 2011 - 04:30 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Just to interject a little more into the conversation, it seems an interesting dilemma. My first thought was a primer coat should have been applied initially. I always prime my models, always. That being said, I never "degrease" my models prior to paint, either. I've been building seriously/professionally for about 20 years and I have never, ever cleaned a model before applying paint. I always spray my models with air from my airbrush immeiately before painting - just to chase away those little dust specks. But I have never wiped down or doused my models with alcohol, etc.
I do wonder, however, if an extended drying period (maybe many, many days) was needed on the model in question, given Ulung's location. I have to feel humidity had to have affected the paint in some way as I routinuely use Tamiya lacquers from the can for small jobs and have never had any issues such as we are speaking of.

Interesting .....
Kirchoff



I agree. This could be water condensing in the aerosol stream. Warming the paint can up in warm water might help.
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