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Russian armor in Spain, best models 1/35...
FJCabeza
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2011 - 09:17 AM UTC
I´m willing to build all the armor used in SCW. As you know most of it was of Soviet origin so I think this would be the best place to ask...
What I want to know is which are the best kits (and easier to build) of the vehicles I want to made.
As an example: Which BA-3 Is better, Zvezda Vs Eastern Express?
Well, these are the vehicles I want to build:
T-26 1933-35? (Round commander hatch AA MG)
BT-5 (Also with cylindrical turret)
BA-3
BA-6
FA-1 (If any available?)
And sofskins:
Zis 5/6
GAZ AA/AAA
Thanks in advance, this is a long term project (20 years at my current buil rate...) that I would like to donate to the local Military Museum
lukiftian
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2011 - 09:38 AM UTC

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I´m willing to build all the armor used in SCW. As you know most of it was of Soviet origin so I think this would be the best place to ask...
What I want to know is which are the best kits (and easier to build) of the vehicles I want to made.
As an example: Which BA-3 Is better, Zvezda Vs Eastern Express?
Well, these are the vehicles I want to build:
T-26 1933-35? (Round commander hatch AA MG)
BT-5 (Also with cylindrical turret)
BA-3
BA-6
FA-1 (If any available?)
And sofskins:
Zis 5/6
GAZ AA/AAA
Thanks in advance, this is a long term project (20 years at my current buil rate...) that I would like to donate to the local Military Museum



Most of these are available from Russia. ARK has the EE molds I believe, they're quite inexpensive.
For Ba-3s, I think the Zvezda kit is somewhat better, but each is a mixed bag.

If I'm not mistaken, the FA-1 is a version of the Ba-20. Alan did a very good kit of this, also boxed by Dragon, it's not hard to find.
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2011 - 10:44 AM UTC

Quoted Text

I´m willing to build all the armor used in SCW. As you know most of it was of Soviet origin so I think this would be the best place to ask...
What I want to know is which are the best kits (and easier to build) of the vehicles I want to made.
As an example: Which BA-3 Is better, Zvezda Vs Eastern Express?
Well, these are the vehicles I want to build:
T-26 1933-35? (Round commander hatch AA MG)
BT-5 (Also with cylindrical turret)
BA-3
BA-6
FA-1 (If any available?)
And sofskins:
Zis 5/6
GAZ AA/AAA
Thanks in advance, this is a long term project (20 years at my current buil rate...) that I would like to donate to the local Military Museum



The easiest way to collect them could be
T-26 1933-35 Zvezda
BT-5 Eastern Express or maybe Tamiya Bt-7modified
BA-3 Zvezda with Miniart wheels
BA-6 You should buy the zvezda BA3 and you should modify the back door. You should use Miniart wheels to improve it
FA1 To be honest i don't know
Zis 5/6 Zvezda and Eastern Express produced it. A while tiime ago Zvezda Zis5 was reboxed by Italeri
GAZ AA/AAA Zvezda kits with Miniart wheels

On average all these kits are old, have accuracy problems and many fitting flaws. You'll have to spend a lot of time to complete in a decent way this stunning collection, but anyway you don't have any alternatives (except the complete scratch building)
Unfortunately Big kit companies haven't produced these subjects yet

Have a good luck. You need it!

Cheers



Bizarre
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2011 - 11:16 AM UTC
Zvezda is reissuing BT5 soon.
Minsk94
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2011 - 04:36 PM UTC
Hey, Mauro

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BA-6 You should buy the zvezda BA3 and you should modify the back door. You should use Miniart wheels to improve it


Actually BA-6 didn't have the back door.

Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2011 - 07:14 PM UTC

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Hey, Mauro

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BA-6 You should buy the zvezda BA3 and you should modify the back door. You should use Miniart wheels to improve it


Actually BA-6 didn't have the back door.




Hi Alex

Yes, I know. I meant that he has to remove the back door details from the Zvezda kit









Thanks anyway
FJCabeza
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2011 - 09:31 PM UTC
Last night I spent some time doing searches in Google and i found out that in fact Zvezda and EE BA-3 are the same model...And both need all the rivetting redone both in hull and in turret Same issues with EE BA-6
Zvezda BT-5 has to suffer major surgery and T-26 needs some retouching.
No one seems to made the FA1 , maybe with a Ford A pickup chassis and some styrene...
Well, as I said is a long term project that is becoming a long-long term project
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2011 - 10:09 PM UTC
As far as i know, the lack of rivets are not the worst Zvezda Ba3 problem

Front wheel axle is too forward and has to be repositioned

There are some issue in the T-26 turret shape


On december I tried to order the Ba-3 kit but they told me that it was out of the catalogue

Eventually i bought the ba 10, I don't know if the ba-3 kit is still on sale

This could help you

http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/115084.aspx

There is also a stunning russian tread about that kit, but, unfortunately I can't see the WIP pics any more

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_10456_start_0.html
FJCabeza
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Posted: Friday, June 24, 2011 - 05:25 AM UTC
Well, I can see the pics and I can tell you that Russian Guy is insane
Thanks, that will be a good guide to build mine...But in a simpler way, I´m afraid.
What´s wrong with the turret (rivets appart)? Pistol ports under vision slots seem also too forward and there´s a general lack of finer detail. But overall shape seems good.
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Friday, June 24, 2011 - 06:36 AM UTC
...to be honest I don't remember where I've read about the turret mistakes

Maybe i remember in a wrong way ...


Well don't worry. I have at least 20 years to complete your mission



Joking aside, if you need references let me know. If I cold I'de be glad to help you

cheers
preusse
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Posted: Saturday, June 25, 2011 - 06:24 PM UTC
Sparta of Germany is going to offer the missing armoured car based on the BA-20. It is the conv. by spanish nationalist with MG13 bow mg and a turret looking like Panzer I one.
FJCabeza
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Posted: Friday, July 01, 2011 - 11:38 AM UTC

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Sparta of Germany is going to offer the missing armoured car based on the BA-20. It is the conv. by spanish nationalist with MG13 bow mg and a turret looking like Panzer I one.


I think you´re speaking about the Spanish UNL...Which scale will be? They have already a 1/48 Mercedes that was widely used by Legion Condor.
A Spanish subject! That would be real good news
lukiftian
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 12:46 PM UTC
The Zvezda ZiS-5 is a late Zis-5 made with a lot of nonstrategic materials (ie wood). I'm not sure if it participated in the SCW.

It is an outstanding kit, however. It's held up well over the last decade
FJCabeza
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2011 - 01:57 AM UTC
You mean ZIS 5V. No, only the early all metal cabin were used.
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