AFV Painting & Weathering
Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
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FD3S20B
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Posted: Thursday, June 30, 2011 - 06:25 PM UTC
is this the the future that can be use for a gloss.
i have never used this before and still very new to all of this.
1.can it be airbrushed and at what psi?
2.what would i clean up with?
3.how much will the base coat change?
4.how do the transfers wet or dry affix?
thanks everyone
vonHengest
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Posted: Thursday, June 30, 2011 - 07:06 PM UTC
I'm not sure about Pledge, but I'm pretty sure that I've seen other modelers on here use it. If it's similar to Future and you'll need to clean your airbrush with windex and then flush it with water. A lot of guys use Future straight from the bottle, which is what I would try with the Pledge. Just set up your airbrush like you normally would for painting. You should have no problem with the transfers once it dries.
Post your results here after you've applied it
Post your results here after you've applied it
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Thursday, June 30, 2011 - 08:06 PM UTC
As far as I know Pledge is nothing but Future wax called with another name.
http://www.therpf.com/f11/future-floor-wax-pledge-future-floor-wax-76458/
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DiPToiPmUFUJ:www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html+plaedge+is+future+wax&cd=4&hl=it&ct=clnk&gl=it&source=www.google.it
...And I ENVY YOU, because (i really don't know why) here in italy it's IMPOSSIBLE to find it
http://www.therpf.com/f11/future-floor-wax-pledge-future-floor-wax-76458/
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DiPToiPmUFUJ:www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html+plaedge+is+future+wax&cd=4&hl=it&ct=clnk&gl=it&source=www.google.it
...And I ENVY YOU, because (i really don't know why) here in italy it's IMPOSSIBLE to find it
FD3S20B
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Posted: Friday, July 01, 2011 - 02:17 AM UTC
thanks for the info and links.has anyone used ak interactive products on it?will their be a reaction as in dont use that product with that one because it will mess up the paint?
Joel_W
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Posted: Friday, July 01, 2011 - 02:44 AM UTC
I use Pledge with Future all the time. Works great for what I use it for, a very smooth, glossy surface for decaling.
Pledge/Future or whatever brand you use doesn't produce a smooth gloss finish when air brushed, but rather a more of a Mat/glossy finish, which is not good enough for decaling. So I brush on the Pledge with a medium soft brush in two lite coats. Any drip or runs not caught can easily be cleaned up with more Pledge applied over it, as it's basically self leveling. I try to work level areas and slowly rotate the model so that the Pledge doesn't run.
After decaling, I apply another few coats of Pledge to blend in the decal film to a smooth coat. These coats are air brushed on. I use the Pledge straight out of the bottle at 18-20 psi. Gun type & needle size will dictate psi changes. With my setup, 18-20 psi is what I use for nearly all my air brushing.
I'll apply any washes that I need a gloss base to flow, then I seal the model with a several coats of Testors Model Master Flat (it's lacquer based) with a air brush, and it produces a dead flat finish. Weathering continues, and when completed I final flat coat with a few coats of Dullcoat.
You can also use Pledge with Tamiya Flat Base to produce a flat coat, mixed at a 10 to 1 ratio. You need to be careful as to how much Flat Base you use. Too much will cause the finish to turn milky, and too little produces a mat finish. I've seen posts on various sites will all sorts of ratios, so you'll have to work out what's best for you.
For cleanup I use Windex with Ammonia, then a final rinse in warm water. I've also used Lacquer Thinner for cleanup which works great, but you have that Lacquer smell to deal with.
Pledge/Future or whatever brand you use doesn't produce a smooth gloss finish when air brushed, but rather a more of a Mat/glossy finish, which is not good enough for decaling. So I brush on the Pledge with a medium soft brush in two lite coats. Any drip or runs not caught can easily be cleaned up with more Pledge applied over it, as it's basically self leveling. I try to work level areas and slowly rotate the model so that the Pledge doesn't run.
After decaling, I apply another few coats of Pledge to blend in the decal film to a smooth coat. These coats are air brushed on. I use the Pledge straight out of the bottle at 18-20 psi. Gun type & needle size will dictate psi changes. With my setup, 18-20 psi is what I use for nearly all my air brushing.
I'll apply any washes that I need a gloss base to flow, then I seal the model with a several coats of Testors Model Master Flat (it's lacquer based) with a air brush, and it produces a dead flat finish. Weathering continues, and when completed I final flat coat with a few coats of Dullcoat.
You can also use Pledge with Tamiya Flat Base to produce a flat coat, mixed at a 10 to 1 ratio. You need to be careful as to how much Flat Base you use. Too much will cause the finish to turn milky, and too little produces a mat finish. I've seen posts on various sites will all sorts of ratios, so you'll have to work out what's best for you.
For cleanup I use Windex with Ammonia, then a final rinse in warm water. I've also used Lacquer Thinner for cleanup which works great, but you have that Lacquer smell to deal with.
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Friday, July 01, 2011 - 03:00 AM UTC
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You can also use Pledge with Tamiya Flat Base to produce a flat coat, mixed at a 10 to 1 ratio. You need to be careful as to how much Flat Base you use. Too much will cause the finish to turn milky, and too little produces a mat finish. I've seen posts on various sites will all sorts of ratios, so you'll have to work out what's best for you.
here a tutorial written by a modeller who I admire a lot:
http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/clear-coats-with-future-floor-acrylic/
Joel_W
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Posted: Friday, July 01, 2011 - 03:41 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextYou can also use Pledge with Tamiya Flat Base to produce a flat coat, mixed at a 10 to 1 ratio. You need to be careful as to how much Flat Base you use. Too much will cause the finish to turn milky, and too little produces a mat finish. I've seen posts on various sites will all sorts of ratios, so you'll have to work out what's best for you.
here a tutorial written by a modeler who I admire a lot:
http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/clear-coats-with-future-floor-acrylic/
Interesting that he uses a ratio of 7 to 1 for a flat finish, but when I clicked on the link to the site he suggests, it's the great article on Future at Swanny's Models. Matt recommends the 10 to 1 ratio for a flat finish. This is the article that I 1st read when I started to use Pledge. I highly recommend it to everyone as it covers every aspect of using Future.
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Posted: Friday, July 01, 2011 - 02:36 PM UTC
Yes, S.C. Johnson has changed the label again! Rest assured that Pledge Floor Care (it still has a little Future logo) is still the same good old Future.
I airbrush Future at full strength right from the bottle at 10 - 15 PSI with an Iwata Revolution CR (.5mm needle) and 4 or so light coats gives me a deep, glossy shine ready for decals or dry transfers. It makes the paint colors look more vibrant, but that will disappear when you shoot the flat coat, so don't worry about it.
Clean up is with Windex or any glass cleaner containing ammonia. I buy the Wal-Mart brand in the big 1/2 gallon refill bottles, cheap. Always follow the Windex with flushes of distilled water - if left, the ammonia will corrode the inside of the airbrush and there is no repairing it. Always use distilled water in your airbrush - tap water contains minerals and chemicals that will ruin the inside of your airbrush almost as badly as the Windex.
I'll be the rogue airbrusher here - after a full day of testing on junk models I settled on 2 parts Tamiya X-21 Flat Base to 3 parts Future for my clear flat coat. I know this is way out there compared to the other ratios, but I've been using it for years and on many models without a single problem, and it's dead flat every time.
Finally, I have used almost all of the AK Interactive products on both Future and my clear flat coat mix and they perform exceptionally well. The clear coats are acrylic and the AK is enamel, so there is no conflict between them. They go together perfectly.
I airbrush Future at full strength right from the bottle at 10 - 15 PSI with an Iwata Revolution CR (.5mm needle) and 4 or so light coats gives me a deep, glossy shine ready for decals or dry transfers. It makes the paint colors look more vibrant, but that will disappear when you shoot the flat coat, so don't worry about it.
Clean up is with Windex or any glass cleaner containing ammonia. I buy the Wal-Mart brand in the big 1/2 gallon refill bottles, cheap. Always follow the Windex with flushes of distilled water - if left, the ammonia will corrode the inside of the airbrush and there is no repairing it. Always use distilled water in your airbrush - tap water contains minerals and chemicals that will ruin the inside of your airbrush almost as badly as the Windex.
I'll be the rogue airbrusher here - after a full day of testing on junk models I settled on 2 parts Tamiya X-21 Flat Base to 3 parts Future for my clear flat coat. I know this is way out there compared to the other ratios, but I've been using it for years and on many models without a single problem, and it's dead flat every time.
Finally, I have used almost all of the AK Interactive products on both Future and my clear flat coat mix and they perform exceptionally well. The clear coats are acrylic and the AK is enamel, so there is no conflict between them. They go together perfectly.
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Posted: Friday, July 01, 2011 - 04:20 PM UTC
thanks to everyone for all the info! it has cleared up a bunch of questions for me
reccymech
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Posted: Friday, July 01, 2011 - 07:40 PM UTC
Does the brand name Pledge and/or Future go by another name here in Australia.
I've tried to purchase it here but no joy, maybe someone might be able to help us out here.
I've tried to purchase it here but no joy, maybe someone might be able to help us out here.
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Friday, July 01, 2011 - 08:00 PM UTC
here
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DiPToiPmUFUJ:www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html+plaedge+is+future+wax&cd=4&hl=it&ct=clnk&gl=it&source=www.google.it
There's written:
"...Even more important than 'what it is' is 'where can I get it?' Here is a short list of different retail outlets around the world that have been known to carry Future or it's cousins:
Australia - Coles Supermarkets, Woolworth's, Supa Valu, Newmart, Bunnings."
I hope that could help you Mark
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DiPToiPmUFUJ:www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html+plaedge+is+future+wax&cd=4&hl=it&ct=clnk&gl=it&source=www.google.it
There's written:
"...Even more important than 'what it is' is 'where can I get it?' Here is a short list of different retail outlets around the world that have been known to carry Future or it's cousins:
Australia - Coles Supermarkets, Woolworth's, Supa Valu, Newmart, Bunnings."
I hope that could help you Mark
reccymech
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Posted: Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 12:59 PM UTC
Cheers for the comprehensive info Mauro. Obviously trades under a different name, which is what I thought. Just checking.
FD3S20B
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Posted: Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 02:50 PM UTC
works great just got done with the last coat with the air brush no issues at all
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 08:06 PM UTC
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Does the brand name Pledge and/or Future go by another name here in Australia.
I've tried to purchase it here but no joy, maybe someone might be able to help us out here.
Mark, be aware that the Pledge One Go that we have here in Australia isn't quite the same as the Pledge With Future Shine that they have over in the States. Ours is a cloudy brown colour and I believe it contains some cleaning agents, compared to the crystal clear variety they have over there.
Ours does work well for dipping clear parts, but I didn't like the result it gave when using it as a clear coat.
Posted: Monday, July 04, 2011 - 01:21 AM UTC
Pledge Multi-Surface Wax in a white bottle is the one avaliable in the UK and it is a cloudy brown color. I use it as a clear coat with no problems, works just like the old 'Johnson's Klear' stuff that was actually clear. Plus the new one doesn't smell half as badly as the older version!