Damn! I can't believe I never noticed this thread before. I'm very interested in this vehicle and have wanted to build one for a long time.
You've done a great job on this kit.. I'll be following the rest of your build with great interest.
Very useful links in this thread, by the way
Hisham
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Hisham
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2011 - 09:48 AM UTC
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2011 - 09:40 AM UTC
Avesome, really avesome!
I think you have enough reference pics but anyway some other few pics for you
http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=293
cheers
I think you have enough reference pics but anyway some other few pics for you
http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=293
cheers
jointhepit
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2011 - 08:54 AM UTC
made little progress so far, had a lot on my mind..
made burned out seats, added some details in the cab (only for eyecandy, measurements are eyeballed
dremeled the cabroof and hood, to make them bend easier, to simulate heat distorsion
pics!
greetz
made burned out seats, added some details in the cab (only for eyecandy, measurements are eyeballed
dremeled the cabroof and hood, to make them bend easier, to simulate heat distorsion
pics!
greetz
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 08:27 AM UTC
You've been doing a great job!
Regarding the "sqeezing tip" I meant that you have to do it just one of three times, just to put away the air from the mould....I didn't mean that you have to hold the mould during ALL the resin drying time
...Although I've been studying hard English for three years now, sometime I can't explain the things in the clearest way ,,,Shame on me!
Anyway you can find some other very useful advice here
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/170136&page=1
Cheers and congrats again
Regarding the "sqeezing tip" I meant that you have to do it just one of three times, just to put away the air from the mould....I didn't mean that you have to hold the mould during ALL the resin drying time
...Although I've been studying hard English for three years now, sometime I can't explain the things in the clearest way ,,,Shame on me!Anyway you can find some other very useful advice here
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/170136&page=1
Cheers and congrats again
Kharkov
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 08:24 AM UTC
Jesus this went fast, last time I checked you were doing wiring detail on the launcher, now you got the full monty
Love the tyre mod, they look good flat, or semi flat, those big wheels are a key feature of this beast, so I think time spent on the wheels is time well spent
jointhepit
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 08:00 AM UTC
excellent tip, about the big gap to pour, and the squeezing during drying, thanks M
(do you adopt ? LOL )
some update pic, just to keep the hordes of watchers happy
quick setup for picture purpose
had the hood lenghtened some mm, and made it half the thickness of the kitpart, made some seat underneath things, euh sockel or whatever the seats are mounted on
I'll have to do some serious scraping the parts to get them to bend and twist some, like the real thing, I'm going for a mix of the last pics M send me and other ref pics, and my own imagination
(do you adopt ? LOL )
some update pic, just to keep the hordes of watchers happy
quick setup for picture purpose
had the hood lenghtened some mm, and made it half the thickness of the kitpart, made some seat underneath things, euh sockel or whatever the seats are mounted on
I'll have to do some serious scraping the parts to get them to bend and twist some, like the real thing, I'm going for a mix of the last pics M send me and other ref pics, and my own imagination
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 06:20 AM UTC
Quoted Text
well Mauro, that was the plan, I made this one by drilling out the inside of the tyre, and apparently the tyre is made of 2 different rubber, inside harder type, outside flexible rubberfilm
but it is very thin and I pierced it on a side, and the rubber was still to strong to "flatten " by itself, so I filled it with carbody filler and pressed it together until it hardened, then i put some more putty on the outside and smooth this out, but the joint between the rubber and the filler kept breaking, so I gave it a good coat of thin superglue, to harden the rubber , sanded a bit, then light coat of primer to see the defaults, and finally after some more sanding, I decided to put some more putty on , this time 2part putty like magic sculpt sort a thing,still need some fine tuning, but after that I think i will make a cast, then clean it up some more untill I find it real enough, then make another mould
so I can use them on another ural I've build
never made a copy, got the silicone, and resin, but I guess this will be the first attempt at "making my own
even if the "kit" tyres aren't accurate, I can alwways say I made'm myself
You did a great work in my opinion
About resin copies nevermind. about one month ago I had to do my first resin copy to fix some mess which I've done with a Tamiya Willys wheel (...it happens
) I thought it was difficult, instead it was rather easy. The only tip which I'd give you is to attach your wheel on a plastic rod before doing the mould. At the end of the process you should have something like this:
I advise you this method for several reasons
1 When you create the silicone mold you'll have a larger zone where you can pour the resin
2 A larger zone on the base of the part, allows a better expulsion of air bubbles. You should squeeze gently the mold during the resin drying time to obtain a good result
3 That larger zone allows the complete reproduction of the part. Otherwise you risk not to cast a wheel slice (as happened to me at the first attempt...)
Considering it was very easy, I've decided to do a resin copy of a Tamiya Quad wheel (a need a spare one), and several copies of Maz 537 wheels, because I don't like at all the vinyl tyres; you can't paint them in a decent way and they could be ruined during the time
cheers
jointhepit
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 02:30 AM UTC
well Mauro, that was the plan, I made this one by drilling out the inside of the tyre, and apparently the tyre is made of 2 different rubber, inside harder type, outside flexible rubberfilm
but it is very thin and I pierced it on a side, and the rubber was still to strong to "flatten " by itself, so I filled it with carbody filler and pressed it together until it hardened, then i put some more putty on the outside and smooth this out, but the joint between the rubber and the filler kept breaking, so I gave it a good coat of thin superglue, to harden the rubber , sanded a bit, then light coat of primer to see the defaults, and finally after some more sanding, I decided to put some more putty on , this time 2part putty like magic sculpt sort a thing,still need some fine tuning, but after that I think i will make a cast, then clean it up some more untill I find it real enough, then make another mould
so I can use them on another ural I've build
never made a copy, got the silicone, and resin, but I guess this will be the first attempt at "making my own"
even if the "kit" tyres aren't accurate, I can alwways say I made'm myself
but it is very thin and I pierced it on a side, and the rubber was still to strong to "flatten " by itself, so I filled it with carbody filler and pressed it together until it hardened, then i put some more putty on the outside and smooth this out, but the joint between the rubber and the filler kept breaking, so I gave it a good coat of thin superglue, to harden the rubber , sanded a bit, then light coat of primer to see the defaults, and finally after some more sanding, I decided to put some more putty on , this time 2part putty like magic sculpt sort a thing,still need some fine tuning, but after that I think i will make a cast, then clean it up some more untill I find it real enough, then make another mould
so I can use them on another ural I've build
never made a copy, got the silicone, and resin, but I guess this will be the first attempt at "making my own
"even if the "kit" tyres aren't accurate, I can alwways say I made'm myself
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 08:53 PM UTC
Your defalted wheel is very convincing
How did you do it?
All the wheels seem to made in vinyl, the flat wheel seems made in plastic (or resin)
Did you do a copy of vinyl tires?
Great job so far
How did you do it?
All the wheels seem to made in vinyl, the flat wheel seems made in plastic (or resin)
Did you do a copy of vinyl tires?
Great job so far
jointhepit
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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 11:50 AM UTC
great clear pics Mauro!
made some "progress " today, hollowed out a tire , hoping to get it thin enough to get the "natural " flat look, guess I only managed a partial flat here
I'll get even more medival on the others
good luck the front ones are burned to sinders
build the major parts of the chassis and suspension, had the springblades on the front bend somewhat to simulate softening of the metal due to heating/burning
oh and I just saw , the "flat" wheel is on the wrong side
missed that one, easy fix
suspension is made fully workable so any other Flats kan variate a little,and the vehicle gets a natural "lowdown "^pose
pics!
greetz
made some "progress " today, hollowed out a tire , hoping to get it thin enough to get the "natural " flat look, guess I only managed a partial flat here
I'll get even more medival on the others
good luck the front ones are burned to sinders
build the major parts of the chassis and suspension, had the springblades on the front bend somewhat to simulate softening of the metal due to heating/burning
oh and I just saw , the "flat" wheel is on the wrong side
missed that one
, easy fix suspension is made fully workable so any other Flats kan variate a little,and the vehicle gets a natural "lowdown "^pose
pics!
greetz
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 03:10 AM UTC
http://walkarounds.scalemodels.ru/v/walkarounds/afv/after_1950/bm-21/?g2_page=1
...So I hope I guessed
jointhepit
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Posted: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 11:32 PM UTC
thanks M, you're like nostradamus, you must have visions of info
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 04:25 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Ps, can anyone send and e-mail to Misurata, and have them take a picture of the inside of the cab?
greetz Tha Pit
From Misurata I can't....but here you can find the Ural4320 user manual with interior drawings, spare parts and engine drawings
http://www.s.collyer.zen.co.uk/manuals/Ural_Service_Manual_English.pdf
http://www.s.collyer.zen.co.uk/manuals/Ural_Service_Manual_Russian.pdf
http://www.s.collyer.zen.co.uk/manuals/Ural4320_Katalog.pdf
It can find other soviet truck and softskin manuals here
http://www.russianmilitarytrucks.com/downloads.htm
jointhepit
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Posted: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 12:13 AM UTC
Wow thanks Mauro, seems like you have one extensive reff departement!
thank Phil, I'll try my best, but expect a finnished model this month, going on holiday soon
greetz
Ps, can anyone send and e-mail to Misurata, and have them take a picture of the inside of the cab?
greetz Tha Pit
thank Phil, I'll try my best, but expect a finnished model this month, going on holiday soon
greetz
Ps, can anyone send and e-mail to Misurata, and have them take a picture of the inside of the cab?
greetz Tha Pit
Bowman18
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2011 - 08:17 PM UTC
Am interested to see how this turns out.........cant wait to see more progress.....keep it up!!!!!!!! 
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2011 - 07:16 PM UTC
Some closer pics. Actually there are several wrecks of Ural grad 21
(too dark)
(too dark)
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2011 - 10:28 AM UTC
Well done Pit!
Nevermind and complete the build
It'll be great!
cheers
Nevermind and complete the build
It'll be great!
cheers
jointhepit
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2011 - 10:20 AM UTC
thanks Karl, hope noone brings one out soon, I'd hate that to happen again!
bought a Bison on PzIII guess what came out within a couple of months,duuh, and I won't mention all those Pz III's I'm building, and then , yes, they came out, new tooled and all
so producers give me a couple of months ,:)
greetz Tha Pit
bought a Bison on PzIII guess what came out within a couple of months,duuh, and I won't mention all those Pz III's I'm building, and then , yes, they came out, new tooled and all
so producers give me a couple of months ,:)
greetz Tha Pit
Karl187
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2011 - 03:35 AM UTC
Great stuff Tha Pit- some excellent detail on this. I've always like the BM-21 but I can never seem to find the old kit and I think it's about time someone released a new one. Anyway, I'm watching this. Good luck with it.
jointhepit
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 10:23 AM UTC
some progress, had little time, and some serious cleaning the hobbyroom to do, added some "tubing, a copperwire wound around a steel wire, then bend into shape, added some "connectors" with stretched sprue, and made something looking like the fusebox to set the sequence with some punched out plastic card and foil, NOT 100 procent accurate, but it keeps the untrained eyes happy
jointhepit
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Posted: Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 09:13 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I have a mixed bag of Grad photos from Libya. PM your email if you want them.
Cheers;
/E
received, thanks Zapper
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Posted: Friday, July 08, 2011 - 01:14 AM UTC
I have a mixed bag of Grad photos from Libya. PM your email if you want them.
Cheers;
/E
Cheers;
/E
jointhepit
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Posted: Thursday, July 07, 2011 - 12:53 PM UTC
now I'm getting confused, this picture seems to suggest they have both Ural versions
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 - 11:07 AM UTC
So Pit, you're "on the road again" aren't you?
Incredibly nteresting subject, I'll follow your project for sure
Very good so far...and thanks a million for the link
cheers
http://bm-21-grad.co.tv/
http://www.thetankmaster.com/english/afv/BM-21_1.asp
http://www.fotovalkirumodelism.com/page.php?page=640
http://www.fotovalkirumodelism.com/page.php?page=534
http://www.fotovalkirumodelism.com/page.php?page=192
http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=293
http://army.lv/ru/bm-21/741/193
http://army.lv/ru/bm-21/foto/741/193#info
http://army.lv/ru/bm-21/shemi/741/193#info
Incredibly nteresting subject, I'll follow your project for sure
Very good so far...and thanks a million for the link
cheers
http://bm-21-grad.co.tv/
http://www.thetankmaster.com/english/afv/BM-21_1.asp
http://www.fotovalkirumodelism.com/page.php?page=640
http://www.fotovalkirumodelism.com/page.php?page=534
http://www.fotovalkirumodelism.com/page.php?page=192
http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=293
http://army.lv/ru/bm-21/741/193
http://army.lv/ru/bm-21/foto/741/193#info
http://army.lv/ru/bm-21/shemi/741/193#info
jointhepit
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Posted: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 - 10:40 AM UTC
a day later then promised, but here are the wip of the clean up, I have to say, what a dog of a kit, lot's to clean up and fill, but hey it's a hobby
only managed to put the rocketlauncher together, added some detail, but not to be super exact, just to "pimp" the old bugger
lckily I had a second Ural in stash, I started to alter the hood and roof, then realised the Grad launchre in Lybia all seemed to be the kit type not he 375 type
anyone having pics of a burned oout cabine of a Ural, or BM21 I need info how it looks when burned out
ok pics
only managed to put the rocketlauncher together, added some detail, but not to be super exact, just to "pimp" the old bugger
lckily I had a second Ural in stash, I started to alter the hood and roof, then realised the Grad launchre in Lybia all seemed to be the kit type not he 375 type
anyone having pics of a burned oout cabine of a Ural, or BM21 I need info how it looks when burned out
ok pics
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