Does anyone know of such a kit? I have seen Tamiya's version of the one from the WWII era, at least I think.
I'm looking for one that was used in the first Gulf War. Hopefully, one I do not have to do too much scratch building one, since this is for a friend and my skills are quite rough.
Thanks in advance!
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Looking for a Gulf War I era M577
Wardster
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2003 - 04:20 AM UTC
AJLaFleche
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2003 - 04:32 AM UTC
The M577 is based on the M113 which was introduced in the 60's. The only significant possible visual external difference would be if external fuel cells were used on this. The antenna array varies, from what I've seen, so you'll want to check your references. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m577.htm
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2003 - 04:43 AM UTC
External fuel tank M577s did not exist in the US Army during Desert Storm. Easiest way to make a DS/DS variant is to mate the Tamiya upper structure to the Academy M113A2. No interior in the Tamiya kit so you will have to scratchbuild one using bits and pieces from both the Academy and Tamiya M113A1 kit.
Delta42
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2003 - 05:10 AM UTC
Hi Wardster,
I have to agree with SABOT. There is no good Desert Storm version of the M577. The best is to use the Tamiya M577 and the Academy M113A2 and kit bash. Some external and internal details will have to be scratched/modified for the conversion. Your best references would be the Hunnicutt book "BRADLEY; A History of American Fighting and Support Vehicles" and photos from the first Gulf War. Good luck, and let me know if I can help you further.
Dave
I have to agree with SABOT. There is no good Desert Storm version of the M577. The best is to use the Tamiya M577 and the Academy M113A2 and kit bash. Some external and internal details will have to be scratched/modified for the conversion. Your best references would be the Hunnicutt book "BRADLEY; A History of American Fighting and Support Vehicles" and photos from the first Gulf War. Good luck, and let me know if I can help you further.
Dave
ptruhe
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2003 - 05:17 AM UTC
Here's a link to help out with the M577:
http://fullmetaljacket.tanxheaven.com/m577/m577a2.html
I've got the original 1524 x 1024 pics if needed. I was on a M577 mortar FDC track until the end of '89 so let me know if I can help.
Paul
http://fullmetaljacket.tanxheaven.com/m577/m577a2.html
I've got the original 1524 x 1024 pics if needed. I was on a M577 mortar FDC track until the end of '89 so let me know if I can help.
Paul
kathoon
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2003 - 06:18 AM UTC
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Here's a link to help out with the M577:
http://fullmetaljacket.tanxheaven.com/m577/m577a2.html
I'm a bit puzzled about this vehicle. I believe it shows a US vehicle, and it has a A2 exhaust stack. But my problem is that it also has a weld seam on the side from the upperstructure. I always thought that this was only seen on the first M577's and that later they started to construct the sides in one piece.
Hope that somebodey can clarify this.
greetings
ptruhe
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2003 - 07:05 AM UTC
This is a former National Guard vehicle at Camp Mabry in Austin, Texas and the NG always gets the obsolete and hand-me-downs from the regular Army. It is possible that it was an early M577 that was retrofitted. There is an Army depot in Texas so it wouldn't be that unlikely.
More puzzling is the headlight guard on the driver's side which resembles a Bundeswehr M113 headlight guard.
Paul
More puzzling is the headlight guard on the driver's side which resembles a Bundeswehr M113 headlight guard.
Paul
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2003 - 08:24 AM UTC
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....But my problem is that it also has a weld seam on the side from the upperstructure. I always thought that this was only seen on the first M577's and that later they started to construct the sides in one piece.
Hope that somebodey can clarify this. [/quote]
That has always been my understanding as well. The first 577s were converted from standard 113 vehicles and the upper body was welded on until new-build 577s with the one-piece uppers were produced. Just like the Tamiya kit.
....But my problem is that it also has a weld seam on the side from the upperstructure. I always thought that this was only seen on the first M577's and that later they started to construct the sides in one piece.
Hope that somebodey can clarify this. [/quote]
That has always been my understanding as well. The first 577s were converted from standard 113 vehicles and the upper body was welded on until new-build 577s with the one-piece uppers were produced. Just like the Tamiya kit.
GeneralFailure
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2003 - 10:15 AM UTC
These M577's were shipped in the port of Antwerp in the early 90's. I took these pics either during a Reforger exercise or during the buildup for DS/DS. I think it was the latter. They were in NATO scheme colors, not in desert tones. None of the vehicles were in desert colors at the time. I think they were painted in the Gulf. Or would that be done on board during the long sailing trip from Europe ???
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2003 - 11:14 AM UTC
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They were painted in theater. If you've ever seen the way they pack the vehicles in, there is no room to even reach the vehicles until they are unloaded at point of disembarkation.I think they were painted in the Gulf. Or would that be done on board during the long sailing trip from Europe ???
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2003 - 12:48 PM UTC
Howdy all,
OK, two-part indulgence here.......
Rob (Sabot), glad to here your voice again. Hope it continues Major 'G'
To the 577 pics. Question to General Failure; Is that a 'jog' in the bodyline? Or is it a shadowline?
About the place the weld seam used to be?
Tread.
OK, two-part indulgence here.......
Rob (Sabot), glad to here your voice again. Hope it continues Major 'G'
To the 577 pics. Question to General Failure; Is that a 'jog' in the bodyline? Or is it a shadowline?
About the place the weld seam used to be?
Tread.
kkeefe
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2003 - 02:49 PM UTC
I find it amazing that there are still those 'welded top' versions around. I wonder what the odometers are up to now-a-days. (Yes, I have seen them more recent than the early 90's.)
Still looking good after what... 40 years and counting. Gawd, I just love those M113s (and variants)!
Thanks for the photos Jan!
If I didn't have to work 40+ hours a week, plus all the other 'stuff', there would probably be a "m113sinminiature.com" out there.
Still looking good after what... 40 years and counting. Gawd, I just love those M113s (and variants)!
Thanks for the photos Jan!If I didn't have to work 40+ hours a week, plus all the other 'stuff', there would probably be a "m113sinminiature.com" out there.
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....................... "m113sinminiature.com" out there.
....heyyyyyy, I like that.
Tankrider
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Posted: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 12:44 AM UTC
As I seem to recall, painting of the vehicles that wetre going to be in ground combat were priority for paint... So, looking at theose vehicles, they would probably not get painted in desert colors... However, my opinion is that thoise are REFORAGER vehicles as a M901 & a M577 makes me think of a cavalry troop from a late transitioning Active unit or a NG unit...
FWIW
John
FWIW
John
GeneralFailure
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Posted: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 04:00 AM UTC
Quoted Text
To the 577 pics. Question to General Failure; Is that a 'jog' in the bodyline? Or is it a shadowline?
About the place the weld seam used to be?
Tread.
They are not shadows. There were several vehicles of the M113 family, and they all had these lines on the side. I have them in other pics, too. They seem to be strips that were stuck to the side. Velcro ?
kkeefe
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Posted: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 04:36 AM UTC
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They are not shadows. There were several vehicles of the M113 family, and they all had these lines on the side. I have them in other pics, too. They seem to be strips that were stuck to the side. Velcro ?
Yes, they are velcro strips for attaching the MILES sensors. Easily replicated with thin strips of drafting/masking tape.
M901
GeneralFailure
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Posted: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 06:33 AM UTC
Kevin, that's a wonderful little dio. Very neat !
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Posted: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 03:13 PM UTC
Thanks Jan.
BTW, It's good to have you back on the active side of Armorama!
BTW, It's good to have you back on the active side of Armorama!
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