Some Hobby Boss DANA questions
Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 - 09:41 AM UTC
Dear Friends, I have bought this HUGE box
I would really appreciate if you could help me out with some answers.
1) Is this kit an actual version, or an older one? Because as far as I know, there have been some updates since the original type (optics, for example).
2) Are there any big issues? On Czech forums I found some info regarding the truck chassis (with google translator only). It looks like that there is a resin update to the Tatra-815.
3) Any update sets, or metal barrel?
4)Does the painting instruction covers a real vehicle?
So far it looks good, but the barrel is a little bent...
Thanks a lot !
Adam
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Posted: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 - 09:55 AM UTC
as far as i know no metal barrell yet, still waiting
jim
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Posted: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 - 10:09 AM UTC
Adam,
1. This kit represents the original version of the DANA, as far as I am aware.
2. There have been some questions raised about a couple of aspects of the Tatra chassis. I think I saw some stuff on a Czech forum by a guy who posts here, 'juge75' (Juhasz Gabor) I think, but I don't have the link. Perhaps he can help you.
3. There is an ET Model PE update set avaliable and some DEF Model resin tyres but no metal barrel yet.
4. I believe the painting instructions are based on actual vehicles- the only sure way to check is to match the plate numbers in the kit decals to pictures of the real thing.
Hope this helps.
-Karl187-
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Posted: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 - 07:14 PM UTC
Adam!
Straighten out under warm water.
Another option: take a caliper and an appropriate raw material (copper or aluminum), drill you and file, sandpaper to turning, or you take a turning, to make one, the muzzle brake segment, drilled, and it conjures up.
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Posted: Thursday, July 07, 2011 - 01:32 AM UTC
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4)Does the painting instruction covers a real vehicle?
Here's a picture of the 1:1 Polish Dana (paint scheme option #2) :
HTH
Frenchy
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Posted: Thursday, July 07, 2011 - 09:20 AM UTC
Adam, if you can hold off on the barrel till I get mine, I'll turn two of them and send you one.
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Krakow, Poland
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Posted: Thursday, July 07, 2011 - 07:51 PM UTC
there are decals set for polish danas available from ToRo:
http://www.toro-model.com.pl/pliki/35d07e.htm and the driver figure (with some equipment for the interior) will be available soon
Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Friday, July 08, 2011 - 04:50 AM UTC
Thank you all for the answers.
Generally I like closed cabs, so I am not sure if I will paint the inside.
After some research on czech pages, I have found out that there is a number of errors with the suspensions and all that stuff "down there". But most of them are invisible. There is a Tatra 815 update for these issues, in the Czech Republic (maybe not an official one:))
But this is a HUGE kit (602?) parts, with a lot of potentials in it.
Two more questions:
- any walkarounds besides Primeportal?
- how does the autoloader works? It is totally outside oh the turret. There is something like a conveyer belt behind the howitzer...
Cheers,
Adam
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Posted: Friday, July 08, 2011 - 07:27 AM UTC
"Find the Bastards, then Pile On"
Col. George W.Patton III 's standing order for the troopers of the 11th Armoured Cavalry Regiment
#284
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Posted: Friday, July 08, 2011 - 09:00 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Thank you all for the answers.
Generally I like closed cabs, so I am not sure if I will paint the inside.
After some research on czech pages, I have found out that there is a number of errors with the suspensions and all that stuff "down there". But most of them are invisible. There is a Tatra 815 update for these issues, in the Czech Republic (maybe not an official one:))
But this is a HUGE kit (602?) parts, with a lot of potentials in it.
Two more questions:
- any walkarounds besides Primeportal?
- how does the autoloader works? It is totally outside oh the turret. There is something like a conveyer belt behind the howitzer...
Cheers,
Adam
As for walkarounds I think one of the best is in the Tankograd book- its damn good.
How it fires is, I reckon, fairly complicated because, as you say, the breech and mechanism is outside the turret. From what I've gleaned out of the tankograd book I think it goes like this: Autoloader is inside the turret on the right (ammunition handler's side) and has a port to the outside through which the rounds go to the gun breech. Once there they are rammed inside by the automated system and fired. Not having the breech inside the vehicle means the crew don't have to deal with the fumes. Once fired the shell is ejected onto a conveyor which takes it to the rear and dumps it on top of the engine compartment or over the side depending on how the turret is traversed.
As I said thats what I think the gun operation is like but not having actually seen the gun in action I can't be sure.
If you want a good reference guide I'd say go for the Tankograd book.
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Krakow, Poland
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Posted: Friday, July 08, 2011 - 11:31 AM UTC
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Posted: Friday, July 08, 2011 - 04:17 PM UTC
ET Modell weighted resin wheels, photo etchted set for Hobby Boss 1/35.
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Posted: Friday, July 08, 2011 - 07:49 PM UTC
Working link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLjJfLhxXuM&feature=player_embeddedNow we know how the strange looking device above the gun works.. Thanks Kamil !
HTH
Frenchy
"Find the Bastards, then Pile On"
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Województwo Kieleckie, Poland
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Posted: Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 10:01 PM UTC
How about ZUZANA conversion? Any aftermarket company is interested in?
I have somewhere photos from dynamic demonstations- if I find I'll post them.
Michal
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2011 - 12:55 PM UTC
looks like everyone has chimed in on the issues, but mine had issue with misnumbered parts on the axles. pretty easy to sort out..also check your side landing legs. the kit I have has a major diiference in the length and diameter of the legs...great for a dio, I just chopped them off, and glued em stowed.
I REALLY need to finish that winter scheme....
Tha Tankograd book is an excellent choice!
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2011 - 01:01 PM UTC
heres the issue I found with the axle...When you start your build..watch out for the rear axle step number 10..the directions have you assemble the rim halves ,parts A22/ A21 and A23. They are labelled c-c , d-d for installing on the axle tube. They're backwards.. the litle linkage in the next step wont fit the rim.
hope this helps ya!!
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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2011 - 03:24 AM UTC
Anyone have suggestions for the Polish three color scheme? They suggest RLM82 as the base, but to me (using on Luftwaffe aircraft) that its too bright and green to use for that.
Krakow, Poland
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Posted: Saturday, July 16, 2011 - 12:22 AM UTC
the question is: are you going to build vehicle used in poland or from Afghanistan. Eropean one should be painted with NATO green/brow/black camouflage. But vehicles used by ISAF have really lighter tones- because of sun and other weathering factors.
Województwo Kieleckie, Poland
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Posted: Saturday, July 16, 2011 - 06:49 AM UTC
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the question is: are you going to build vehicle used in poland or from Afghanistan. Eropean one should be painted with NATO green/brow/black camouflage. But vehicles used by ISAF have really lighter tones- because of sun and other weathering factors.
Kamil,
I don't know the source of your information but in my opinion Polish light green is much brighter. Check these photos of KRAB demo vehicle. To avoid discussion about taking photos in sunny weather I put these two photos:
And here are photo of Polish Leo in "original" NATO camouflage from the same expo (the same conditions- the same camera):
IMHO Polish light green is closer to JGDSF green. But as I said- this is only my point of view.
Michal
Krakow, Poland
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Posted: Saturday, July 16, 2011 - 09:22 AM UTC
it looks like there are a lot of camouflage tones used in our army. i'm living near the military base and i see military vehicles (mostly softskins, humvees and trucks) everyday. in my opinion they're definitely painted in NATO colors. OK, maybe brown on some vehicles is more 'rich', but they are really dark
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Posted: Saturday, July 16, 2011 - 10:48 AM UTC
The good news. I will have the Dana kit next week or the following, depending on shipping schedule.
The bad news. I won't be able to turn the barrels, until after I get back from my familty reunion. Say a month.
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Krakow, Poland
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Posted: Saturday, July 16, 2011 - 10:38 PM UTC
BTW, if you are going to build polish DANA, please note the antenna's mount- it is in another place than in the kit- on the cabin's side
Województwo Kieleckie, Poland
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 07:55 AM UTC
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it looks like there are a lot of camouflage tones used in our army. i'm living near the military base and i see military vehicles (mostly softskins, humvees and trucks) everyday. in my opinion they're definitely painted in NATO colors. OK, maybe brown on some vehicles is more 'rich', but they are really dark
Kamil,
Humvees were painted by factory so they should have NATO green.
I checked my photos- look on this: difference between green paints between STAR and RYS is evident:
And here between LOARA, KRAB and HONKER in the background:
We will have to find a constructive solution. If we want to create Polish subject more popular- modellers will need to know how to paint our equipment
In my office I have RAL color chart- so I compare it with real vehicle. What more- I will try to contact army paint supplier. Hope I will be able to return with detail information soon.
Regards,
Michal
Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 09:43 AM UTC
And what about the wheels' pattern?
Do they match any real versions?
Cheers,
Adam
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Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2011 - 07:38 AM UTC
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And what about the wheels' pattern?
Do they match any real versions?
Cheers,
Adam
What are you talking about? The kit wheels are identical to the ones being used in Afghanistan by the Polish Forces. I got the DEF Model wheels for mine and they have slightly better detail, but I'm not so sure if they should have any "sag" in them...
