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Satin or matt surface for filters?
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 06:59 AM UTC
Hi all,

Me again, asking more questions..(sorry about that). Anyway, been doing lots of reading on some of these weathering techniques and have a small question on filters. I know that I can apply filters over either a matt or satin surface, depending on the number of filters (tones) I want to apply. Generally, as I understand it, we only apply one filter over a matt surface. Over a satin surface, however, we can apply more. Now, here are the questions. If I apply these filters over a satin surface, do I then need to apply a matt clear coat to continue with the weathering process (e.i. fading, streaking, etc)? Would I loose the effect of the filters, per se, if I do this? Should I just stick with doing the filters only on a matt surface?

Of all the searches I've done on these topics, I haven't yet come across to an answer on this one.

Thanks in advance for the feedback!

Rob
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 11:29 AM UTC
I use clear gloss coats between filters/washes, as I want them to blend over a large area. Once I'm done with my washes, I apply a matt coat to continue my weathering process with dry brushing.
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 10:10 PM UTC
Rob:

the Satin surface is always good for allmost all weathering process except for filters, which works better over a mastt surface.

But if you apply a satin coat since the beging, you can also apply many filters, but doens't work as well as in a matt surface. that's all, but don't worry in excess for that.

My recomendation: work always with satin cotas...always....

regards


MIG
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Posted: Friday, July 29, 2011 - 12:42 AM UTC

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Rob:

the Satin surface is always good for allmost all weathering process except for filters, which works better over a mastt surface.

But if you apply a satin coat since the beging, you can also apply many filters, but doens't work as well as in a matt surface. that's all, but don't worry in excess for that.

My recomendation: work always with satin cotas...always....

regards
MIG

so MIG, can I apply many filters over a matt surface?
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Posted: Friday, July 29, 2011 - 12:52 AM UTC
Yes, of course...in fact, this is the way.
The matt surface will help to the filters a lot, because they will expand uniformly by capilarity over the whole surface.

After many layer, maybe you will get a nice almost satin surface , due the multiple filter layers.
If still too flat after many filters, could be good to varnish lightly with a little satin varnish to make the wahes and other effects.

good luck!!!

MIG
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Posted: Friday, July 29, 2011 - 05:31 AM UTC

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Yes, of course...in fact, this is the way.
The matt surface will help to the filters a lot, because they will expand uniformly by capilarity over the whole surface.

After many layer, maybe you will get a nice almost satin surface , due the multiple filter layers.
If still too flat after many filters, could be good to varnish lightly with a little satin varnish to make the wahes and other effects.

good luck!!!

MIG


thank you sir
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Posted: Sunday, July 31, 2011 - 07:32 AM UTC

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I use clear gloss coats between filters/washes, as I want them to blend over a large area. Once I'm done with my washes, I apply a matt coat to continue my weathering process with dry brushing.


Thanks for the feedback, Joel. It seems I can also do the same then with a satin finish.

Rob
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Posted: Sunday, July 31, 2011 - 07:45 AM UTC

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Rob:

the Satin surface is always good for allmost all weathering process except for filters, which works better over a mastt surface.

But if you apply a satin coat since the beging, you can also apply many filters, but doens't work as well as in a matt surface. that's all, but don't worry in excess for that.

My recomendation: work always with satin cotas...always....

regards


MIG


Thanks very much for taking the time to reply, MIG! I brought up the issue mainly because, as I was watching your AK video on weathering with enamels, I thought you were doing pretty much all of the weathering over a satin surface. Would you mind sharing which satin varnish you like best?

Thanks again!

Rob
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