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Cleaning airbrush after spraying Vallejo
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Posted: Saturday, August 13, 2011 - 04:50 PM UTC
Hi all,

Sorry if the subject has been brought up before but I'm about to spray Vallejo for the first time and need to make sure I'm doing the right thing.

I'm about to spray Vallejo matt varnish and was wondering if I can use Windex to clean the brush afterward. My standard procedure for acrylics is to rinse the airbrush with Windex and then distilled water so, as mentioned, I'd like to know if it will be okay if I continue with that practice when using Vallejo paints/varnishes.

Thanks in advance,

Rob

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Posted: Saturday, August 13, 2011 - 06:32 PM UTC
I regularly use Vallejo's Satin varnish and clean afterwards with water -or- Vallejo's airbrush cleaner diluted 50/50 with tap water.
I hope this is helpfull.
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Posted: Saturday, August 13, 2011 - 06:43 PM UTC
I usually clean my airbrush with whatever I used to thin the paint, then rinse with water.

For Tamiya acrylics, i use 91% Rubbing Alcohol
For Modelmaster Acryl - WIndex
ModelMaster Enamel - Testors airbrush thinner

At the end of a project, I'll spray a small amount of acetone through the brush for a really good cleaning followed with Windex and then water.
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Posted: Saturday, August 13, 2011 - 08:47 PM UTC
Hi Rob, their lovely paints but every time I spray them I have to strip the airbrush completley and soak the nozzle in airbrush cleaner,they block it every time,never had that problem with Tamyia.
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Posted: Sunday, August 14, 2011 - 04:32 AM UTC
Vallejo's own AB cleaner works wonders.....no need to cut it with water....just dilutes the solution so it doesn't clean as efficiently

John...if Vallejo is clogging your airbrush...then its not thinned enough.
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Posted: Sunday, August 14, 2011 - 05:40 PM UTC
John, the clogging is most likely a result of a quick dry time on Vallejo paints. A drop of retarder could help avoid this.
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Posted: Monday, August 15, 2011 - 05:32 AM UTC
Thanks, guys, for the all the suggestions. Now, I did not get any feedback on using Windex so should I assume Windex isn't recommended to clear out Vallejo paint? I don't have any of the airbrush cleaners so, for that reason, I wanted to stick to something I use regularly to deal with Tamiya and Gunze paints.

Thanks again,

Rob
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Posted: Monday, August 15, 2011 - 01:45 PM UTC
I use watered down Ammonia, which I believe is the same ingredient in Windex. So it should work. For me I use about 50/50 water/ammonia and run it througy airbrush till cup is clean and sprays clearer. I then run a little Medea Airbrush cleaner and rinse with water. After each session, I strip it down and use q-tips and pipe cleaners with Medea and give it a thorough cleaning.

I use the ammonia because it is cheap and it is good for cleaning acrylics. I use it on all my paints: tamiya, vallejo, MM Acrylics, PollyScale, etc.

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Posted: Monday, August 15, 2011 - 05:41 PM UTC
Rob, Vallejo are incredibly good paint but they are not alcohol based like Tamiya. If you use IPA or Windex to clean, it will congeal the Vallejo and create a huge gunky mess. Shoot the paint out, shoot Vallejo or Medea Airbrush Cleaner. Then shoot distilled water until it's squeaky clean. These two cleaners also work fantastic in an ultrasonic cleaner when you strip down your airbrush for a super total cleaning.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 03:29 AM UTC

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Rob, Vallejo are incredibly good paint but they are not alcohol based like Tamiya. If you use IPA or Windex to clean, it will congeal the Vallejo and create a huge gunky mess. Shoot the paint out, shoot Vallejo or Medea Airbrush Cleaner. Then shoot distilled water until it's squeaky clean. These two cleaners also work fantastic in an ultrasonic cleaner when you strip down your airbrush for a super total cleaning.



Oh, man, Matt, I wish I had waited until today to experiment with cleaning out the a/b after shooting Vallejo as I would have seen this response and probably would have saved me the huge headache I have now...

Against my better judgment, I went ahead and shot Vallejo Matt Varnish last night and, as I normally do, I shot Windex and distilled water through my Iwata Revolution CR. Needless to say, I now have a completely clogged airbrush. I guess I now have no choice but to buy the Medea cleaner (Vallejo a/b cleaner comes in just too small of a container for it to be worth it for me) and get this thing taken care of. The funny thing is that I actually tested adding Windex to a few drops of the Vallejo varnish on a separate cup and it seemed like Windex did dissolve the paint. After seeing this, I thought it'd work but I was sadly mistaken. I'll be ordering the biggest bottle I can find of the Medea cleaner and get this resolved.

Thanks for the feedback!

Rob

P.S. On the Medea a/b cleaner. Do you mix the cleaner with some water and then shoot it out with the a/b or do you use it right from the bottle? I ask because I've read that, as is, the Medea cleaner comes as a concentrate.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 05:07 AM UTC
Rob- I've done the same thing by mistake and clogged up one of my ABs. I used a very thin, soft and fine artists liner brush and, Medea and some distilled water to clean it all out. Whatever alcohol thinner I used looked like it had dissolved the Vallejo paint, but it actually just broke the paint it into congealed bits that clogged the AB.

As for Medea Airbrush Cleaner- I've always used it neat and I use the Vallejo thinner neat aswell. I find alternating between one of these and distilled water cleans things out in no time.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 05:27 AM UTC

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Rob- I've done the same thing by mistake and clogged up one of my ABs. I used a very thin, soft and fine artists liner brush and, Medea and some distilled water to clean it all out. Whatever alcohol thinner I used looked like it had dissolved the Vallejo paint, but it actually just broke the paint it into congealed bits that clogged the AB.

As for Medea Airbrush Cleaner- I've always used it neat and I use the Vallejo thinner neat aswell. I find alternating between one of these and distilled water cleans things out in no time.



Thanks for the feedback, Karl. I was able to find a small bottle of the Medea cleaner from an art store near where I work so I'll go home tonight and see if I can get this thing cleaned. Man, I knew I should have waited but, oh well, we live and learn I guess.

So, I guess my SOP for cleaning the AB will have to change a bit when I use Vallejo. Nothing wrong with that I guess...

Oh, before I forget...For Vallejo varnishes and the such, do you just shoot it neat or do you thin it? I sprayed it neat first and it seemed a bit thick clogging the brush pretty quickly. I added some Vallejo thinner to it but didn't seem to change anything. The result on the test piece I used looked matt but was whitish and grainy. After adding some distilled water it sprayed much better but the other test piece I tried on ended up with a bit of a satin sheen to it, not completely matt. What's your method for using these varnishes? Do you thin them? If so, with what (to get the best results)?

Thanks again!

Rob
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 09:00 AM UTC
I once thinned Vallejo Matt Varnish with their thinner and it produced much the same results as you got. I use distilled water now or tap water if I don't have any. I usually have it quite thin- about the same consistency as any of the Model Air paints. I wish they would start doing the varnishes in the Model Air range again, it was easier when all you had to do was drip it into the AB!
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 09:20 AM UTC
I have experimented a lot lately shooting the Vallejo matt varnish diluted with their glaze medium. Glaze medium dries with a matt finish so it won't affect your varnish but it does seriously improve the flow of medium through your airbrush. I have found it's also really useful for painting ultra-fine lines.

Have a look at the challenger 2 painting and weathering a box car part 2 videos on the link in my signature - I use it on there.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 12:58 PM UTC

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I once thinned Vallejo Matt Varnish with their thinner and it produced much the same results as you got. I use distilled water now or tap water if I don't have any. I usually have it quite thin- about the same consistency as any of the Model Air paints. I wish they would start doing the varnishes in the Model Air range again, it was easier when all you had to do was drip it into the AB!




Yes, it would be nice if the thinner actually 'thinned' the varnish. Don't know but the thinner's viscosity is almost the same as that of the varnish.



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I have experimented a lot lately shooting the Vallejo matt varnish diluted with their glaze medium. Glaze medium dries with a matt finish so it won't affect your varnish but it does seriously improve the flow of medium through your airbrush. I have found it's also really useful for painting ultra-fine lines.

Have a look at the challenger 2 painting and weathering a box car part 2 videos on the link in my signature - I use it on there.



Hi John, thanks for the feedback. I watched most of your videos and do try to take notes of what you use with the Vallejo products. I did watch the one about the repaint of the Challenger 2 and did see you use the glaze medium. I have two bottles of the stuff but never hadn't thought about using it with the varnish. Can I still add the glaze medium if the varnish is thinned with a bit of water? Or, do I use the glaze only with neat varnish?

Thanks again!

Rob
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 01:53 PM UTC
When spraying, add 1/3 satin varnish and add a few drops of dish soapy water. This will retard the paint and give you a finer spray pattern. Clean with water or rubbing alcohol
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I shoot it straight from the bottle. No watering down.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 03:54 PM UTC
All of Vallejo's varnishes are good to go right out of the bottle, no need to thin.

As far as the size of the bottle for Vallejo's AB cleaner, it comes in 85ml, as well as 200ml, and again, shot as is, no thinning to clean. It also adds a slight bit of lubricant to your airbrush to keep it working as smoothly.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 04:22 PM UTC
One thing I have found is that the branded Windex works wonders in cleaning acrylic paints, but the el-cheapo windex (no name) doesn't work anywhere near as well.
One thing I have found is that Tamiya Acrylics can clog my airbrush momentarily no matter how thinned I have it using either water, Tamiya thinner or metho. Whereas I never have a problem with Gunze using metho.
If the Windex doesn't remove all of the paint I find that Methylated Spirits get anything else off without resorting to dangerous stuff. Metho (denatured alcohol elsewhere) is drunk by some alcoholics so it won't kill you as quickly as the harsh stuff like thinners..
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Posted: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 - 01:37 AM UTC

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Hi John, thanks for the feedback. I watched most of your videos and do try to take notes of what you use with the Vallejo products. I did watch the one about the repaint of the Challenger 2 and did see you use the glaze medium. I have two bottles of the stuff but never hadn't thought about using it with the varnish. Can I still add the glaze medium if the varnish is thinned with a bit of water? Or, do I use the glaze only with neat varnish?

Thanks again!

Rob



I don't put any water in my mixes - but there are no hard and fast rules. I got my results by just trying different things. What else are you going to do with that big, inviting flat expanse of plastic underneath your tanks !? the underside of every model of mine is sprayed various colours and finishes

Give some mixes a go and just find what's right for you - but don't just leave that glaze medium going to waste - it's a great product and has various uses. cheers, Jon
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Posted: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 - 05:29 AM UTC

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When spraying, add 1/3 satin varnish and add a few drops of dish soapy water. This will retard the paint and give you a finer spray pattern. Clean with water or rubbing alcohol



Thanks, John. I thought about using the satin varnish but decided instead to stick with Future as a gloss coat and Vallejo's varnish for the flat. I'll experiment with the satin and gloss varnishes on my next models.


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I shoot it straight from the bottle. No watering down.



I tried this, Kevin, but the varnish seemed really thick and was laying on the model heavily leaving small whitish splotches on the piece. Once dried, the piece looked ashy overall. Not a good look at all.


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All of Vallejo's varnishes are good to go right out of the bottle, no need to thin.

As far as the size of the bottle for Vallejo's AB cleaner, it comes in 85ml, as well as 200ml, and again, shot as is, no thinning to clean. It also adds a slight bit of lubricant to your airbrush to keep it working as smoothly.



As mentioned above, I did try it neat but with mixed results (piece ended up looking ashy in color). Once I added water, however, it sprayed better and laid down evenly. No white splotches as when I didn't thin it.

Re. the AB cleaner, all I can find locally (as in ordering in the U.S.) are small jars of the Vallejo stuff. I was able to find larger bottles of the Medea cleaner so I guess I'll go that route until I can find the bigger Vallejo cleaner.


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One thing I have found is that the branded Windex works wonders in cleaning acrylic paints, but the el-cheapo windex (no name) doesn't work anywhere near as well.
One thing I have found is that Tamiya Acrylics can clog my airbrush momentarily no matter how thinned I have it using either water, Tamiya thinner or metho. Whereas I never have a problem with Gunze using metho.
If the Windex doesn't remove all of the paint I find that Methylated Spirits get anything else off without resorting to dangerous stuff. Metho (denatured alcohol elsewhere) is drunk by some alcoholics so it won't kill you as quickly as the harsh stuff like thinners..



I only ever use the real deal Windex brand. But, as Matt says above, Windex simply isn't the right product to use with Vallejo paints. I can live with that.

As for Tamiya acrylics, I've never had any problems with them spraying. I never get any clogging as I like to spray them fairly thin. I haven't really tried Gunze paints yet but did buy a few of them to try on an aircraft model I have waiting for paint. They're pretty hard to get here in the States and costs quite a bit to mail order them.


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I don't put any water in my mixes - but there are no hard and fast rules. I got my results by just trying different things. What else are you going to do with that big, inviting flat expanse of plastic underneath your tanks !? the underside of every model of mine is sprayed various colours and finishes

Give some mixes a go and just find what's right for you - but don't just leave that glaze medium going to waste - it's a great product and has various uses. cheers, Jon



I'll be experimenting more with Vallejo stuff as soon as I'm done with this my current project. Since I needed to matt coat my piece, I thought to give it a try. Not very impress yet but it may be simply because I need more 'training' to get the results I'm looking for. Still need to learn a lot more about this range.



Thanks all for your responses!

Rob


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Posted: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 - 05:00 PM UTC
Click my banner below, it will take you to my website, and I carry both the 200ml Vallejo AB cleaner, as well as the 200ml Vallejo Thinner and all the primers (among other things)

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Posted: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 11:36 AM UTC
Here is my 2 cents: I've been using Simple Green to clean my airbrushes after I use Vallejo. When I am done cleaning it looks like it is brand new. It cleans it that good. I also use it for cleaning other acrylics like Tamiya.
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