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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 12:40 AM UTC
Hi everyone.

My next project will be an Academy M1151 and I´m really confused about it.

I´ve been searching for pics and found varoius M1151 configurations.

First thing is this pic.



The problem is that it have new wrangler tyres and some kind of addon armor or something like that under doors



And on this picture is M1151 with wrangler tyres but no addon armor

Can you tell me why is that difference ? Because academy doesn´t have that type of armour

And another picture I found is this shield


I saw humvees with that shield and without ..

And the last is this humvee

looks like M1151 but it has no air-co grill and it has that cap in the back ... can you tell me what it is ?
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 03:46 AM UTC
No idea what the last one (all green) is. The others have different levels of Frag 5 armor on them. There are a bunch of different armor kits in use right now that are added to the basic M1151. Your best bet is to find a picture of one you want to model and copy it. You will go nuts trying to figure out all the little differences between the kits and why one has a certain piece and another doesn't.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 03:47 AM UTC
That first photo is simply add-on ballistic glass in an effort to mitigate the effects of EFPs.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 08:32 AM UTC
You can have either aggressive pattern Wrangler MT's or MT/R's. As the second pic shows they even have a MT spare. The tires are not specific to any Frag armor kit, but if you want a current/stateside 1151 use the MT/R's.

Edit: Don't quote me on that last part, I suppose the kevlar MT/R's might be considered some sort of armor kit... Its gets confusing, just follow Gino's advice and follow a photo of one you like.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 08:57 AM UTC
Heres another angle of that last one,



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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 09:16 AM UTC
I believe those are of the M1151A1 w B1 kit. That extra armor below the windshield is nothing more than a deflector, much like the bars that Israelis weld in front of their optics. At one point, these were supposed to incorporate a new engine with its own A/C unit. Earlier examples I saw of it still had the A/C grills in back. If this indeed has the upgraded engine with A/C it would obviate the need for those grills.
As some of us know, the rear location was never a good one for the A/C. When a fully combat loaded gun truck bottoms out, the A/C usually went Tango Uniform. Even when it worked, it seemed to suck in all the dust and distribute it around the interior of the vehicle. Plus it was loud as hell. After a few intial attempts I don't recall using it. Plus, the up gunner has his own A/C anyway.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 09:21 AM UTC

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Heres another angle of that last one,




I would suggest that this vehicle is not an M1151. Though fitted with a combination of armor kits that includes elements of the LTAS A- and B-kits, I would think this doesn't necessarily mean anything.

The first two pictures posted are from a Flickr photostream, both with the following the caption: "AM General is in Beatty, Nevada to test Humvees in Death Valley." The last one also appears to be from an exhibition. It looks to me like it might be a demo/test vehicle using an existing hull. This non-combat function might explain the additional filler cap as being part of just another fuel tank.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 09:29 AM UTC
That's an interesting theory. I'm even willing to accept most of it.
Save for the fact that the second filler cap appears on my photos of the MARSOC GMV (GMV-M). No idea really what it's for at this point. Possibly a reservoir for dampening oil in the add on shock dampeners? That doesn't seem likely, but it's all I can think of at the moment.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 09:30 AM UTC

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The last one also appears to be from an exhibition. It looks to me like it might be a demo/test vehicle using an existing hull. This non-combat function might explain the additional filler cap as being part of just another fuel tank.


This "mysterious" Humvee was presented by AM-General at the Siemens PLM Connection in Las Vegas in May 2011. Here are two Hi-res pics from Flickr :
Picture 1

Picture 2

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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 11:27 AM UTC

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That's an interesting theory. I'm even willing to accept most of it.
Save for the fact that the second filler cap appears on my photos of the MARSOC GMV (GMV-M). No idea really what it's for at this point. Possibly a reservoir for dampening oil in the add on shock dampeners? That doesn't seem likely, but it's all I can think of at the moment.

Is the GMV-M based on the new hull with the side grills or the earlier hull design?

Also, I feel that now is a good time to explain the components of the LTAS A- and B-kits, since that seems to be causing some confusion here:

The A-kit consists of:
- Wheel well and under body armor
- Rocker panel armor
- The "shield" at the base of the windshield

The B-kit consists of:
- Up-armored roof
- Up-armored windshield
- Up-armored doors
- Up-armored B-pillar (2-door configurations only) or C-pillar (4-door configurations only)
- A-, B-, and C- pillar IED overlays

The revised clamshell can be fitted when the B-kit is fitted to 4-door configurations. The up-armored doors come in two flavors. One is similar, but not identical to the standard M1114 doors, and the other is similar but not identical to the M1151/M1152/M1165/M1167 Frag 5 doors. The Frag 5 doors can be substituted for either. Supplementary Frag 1 IED overlays and Frag 2 wheel well armor can also be fitted in conjunction with the B-kit (these Frag kits are referred to in the Operator's Manual as "Enhanced" as they are placed over the existing A- and B-kit armor).
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 05:34 PM UTC
Anyone notice the freaky hood on the "mysterious Humvee"? Forgive me if someone's already commented on it and I just glossed over, but there is something very 'un-Humvee' about that green machine
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 06:42 PM UTC

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Anyone notice the freaky hood on the "mysterious Humvee"? Forgive me if someone's already commented on it and I just glossed over, but there is something very 'un-Humvee' about that green machine


I feel the same about the wheel hubs

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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 08:38 PM UTC
To me one of the appeals of the Humvee is the sheer variety .... the down side is the cost of all the AM sets.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 - 04:18 AM UTC

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Anyone notice the freaky hood on the "mysterious Humvee"? Forgive me if someone's already commented on it and I just glossed over, but there is something very 'un-Humvee' about that green machine


Well... Check out the engine itself. Looks like some extra plumbing there, say from a turbocharger. It may be the newer engine I mentioned above. Hence the A/C unit missing at the rear. You'd have to modify the hood to accomodate the extra components. Also note there doesn't seem to be a radiator extension,. That's probably been redesigned as well.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 - 04:38 AM UTC
Isn't it a XM1211 Evolutionary Concept Vehicle II (ECV II):

?
Or some sort of it (different bonnet curves and some other details).
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Posted: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 - 04:43 AM UTC
Never heard of one until you just posted this, but after just looking it up, it does have a tubocharged diesel, Cool looking vehicle. That hood would make for an interesting exercise in basswood carving.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 - 05:41 AM UTC

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Isn't it a XM1211 Evolutionary Concept Vehicle II (ECV II)


Maybe an earlier variant ? (the wheel arches are different as well). According to the infos I've found, AM General has been exhibiting the ECV in public at various events since 2006. It doesn't seem to be an official next-gen prototype of anything (contrary to the JLTV), but just a concept vehicle the company uses to generate interest.

Frenchy


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Posted: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 - 08:56 AM UTC

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Hi everyone.

My next project will be an Academy M1151 and I´m really confused about it.

I´ve been searching for pics and found varoius M1151 configurations.

First thing is this pic.



The problem is that it have new wrangler tyres and some kind of addon armor or something like that under doors



And on this picture is M1151 with wrangler tyres but no addon armor

Can you tell me why is that difference ? Because academy doesn´t have that type of armour

And another picture I found is this shield


I saw humvees with that shield and without ..

And the last is this humvee

looks like M1151 but it has no air-co grill and it has that cap in the back ... can you tell me what it is ?


I have finally found the answer to the "Mystery Filler Cap" question. It is for an auxiliary fuel tank, mounted where the BII used to go. I photographed the fuel filler line yesterday, and guess what? No fuel tank. There was an MWO saying they were dangerous and all have been removed.
Oh, by the way, SF has some VERY cool new GMVs no one has seen yet.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 - 11:02 AM UTC

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Oh, by the way, SF has some VERY cool new GMVs no one has seen yet.


Didn't your mom teach you that it isn't polite to tease!!
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Posted: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 - 12:33 PM UTC

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Isn't it a XM1211 Evolutionary Concept Vehicle II (ECV II):

?
Or some sort of it (different bonnet curves and some other details).


It's called "super hummer". It does not a new vehicle for US armed forces because humvees will be replaced thanks to the JLTV (Joint Light Tactical Vehicle) programm. This programm is always in progress.

This humvee which will be probably proposed for another conutry. I saw an article about it in a "Raids" magazine numero. I search the numero and I will tell you it.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 - 01:49 PM UTC
This is based on an M1065, with quick release attachment points on the side rails and rear doors. Not a concept vehicle. A 10th SFG(A) vehicle.
BII is now on the hood as on the MARSOC vehicle.
I'll add this one to the SF HMMWV CD, and try to get them to anyone who already purchased it.
By the way, RG-33s and RG-31s are on their way out.
I should see the ambulance M-ATV in a few weeks. Also the Maxx Pro Version.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 - 01:57 PM UTC
31st I get, but why the 33's, I thought the SOCOM 33's were tailor made for you guys.
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Posted: Friday, March 02, 2012 - 04:13 AM UTC

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Isn't it a XM1211 Evolutionary Concept Vehicle II (ECV II):

?
Or some sort of it (different bonnet curves and some other details).



That's right. I don't think it will replace the actual humvees.

There is an article about this vehicle in Raids magazine N°276 of may 2009.
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