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105mm NATO ammo info
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2011 - 03:54 AM UTC
All,

Looking for accurate dimensions of 105mm NATO ammo. HE, HESH, APDS, APDSFS-T shells and their cartridges plus the wooden boxes they would have been shipped in.

Length, location of driving bands, shapes, sizes of sabots, any and everything if you have it.

I have tried Armoured Acorn and Barry doesn't have info on the 105mm rounds.

You can post it here or email me at:

tankmodeler at rogers dot com

Ta, much,

Paul

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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2011 - 04:29 AM UTC
Here are various 105mm cartridges (from tpub.com) :

http://www.tpub.com/content/armymunitions/mm0145a/mm0145a0061.htm

http://www.tpub.com/content/armymunitions/mm0145a/mm0145a0062.htm

http://www.tpub.com/content/armymunitions/mm0145a/mm0145a0063.htm

http://www.tpub.com/content/armymunitions/mm0145a/mm0145a0065.htm

http://www.tpub.com/content/armymunitions/mm0145a/mm0145a0057.htm

http://www.tpub.com/content/armymunitions/mm0145a/mm0145a0058.htm

Sorry nothing about the boxes...

HTH

Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2011 - 04:32 AM UTC
Guns, I presume, not howitzers? Also, what era? There were a number of changes in the rounds and packaging between 1960 and ~2000.

The place to start would be a 1960 TM titled Artillery Ammunition, TM 9-1300-203. At about that time the Army changed how their TMs were numbered. You might actually be looking for a TM 9-1300- 251-20 or TM 43-0001-28. If you want later info. You could also check for M60 series tank TMs (-10 or -12) as they include an ammunition section in them.

KL
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2011 - 09:35 AM UTC
Hi Paul,

we use at work lots of Bundeswehr and US wooden ammo boxes to carry our parts around. So far, I saw 105 mm tank ammo, 4.2 in. M30 mortar, 105mm semifixed shell for M101 howitzer and much more. I think I must have some other boxes in my cellar.
I report in at monday.

Cheers
Hans-Hermann
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2011 - 01:55 PM UTC
Paul

Shoot me a PM, I have photos of 105mm tank ammo from one of our range shoots, including wooden crates.

Anthony
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2011 - 02:25 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Guns, I presume, not howitzers? Also, what era? There were a number of changes in the rounds and packaging between 1960 and ~2000.

The ammo for the 105mm L7 is what I'm looking for. I have the VLS ammo set to review and I'm looking to check the dimensions.


Quoted Text

The place to start would be a 1960 TM titled Artillery Ammunition, TM 9-1300-203. At about that time the Army changed how their TMs were numbered. You might actually be looking for a TM 9-1300- 251-20 or TM 43-0001-28. If you want later info. You could also check for M60 series tank TMs (-10 or -12) as they include an ammunition section in them.
KL


Ooo! I may just have an M60 "dash 10" in the library! Thanks! I don't think I have the Amunition TM, though. Would it have the 105mm tank ammo in it?

Thanks, buddy!

Paul
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2011 - 02:58 PM UTC
UPDATE: I just checked my 1960 Artillery Ammunition TM and it does not cover 105mm gun ammo.

KL
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2011 - 04:55 AM UTC
Hi Paul,

I took measurements of a Bundeswehr 105mm tank ammo box.
The box measures 943mm by 353mm by 160mm outside.

HTH
Hans-Hermann Bühling
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Posted: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 - 04:00 AM UTC
Thanks guys, I appreciate the help.

It's not helping that the VLS set doesn't explicitly state exactly what rounds are supposed to be packed in the box...

Paul
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