Hi all,
I would know if the actual M1114,M1151,M1165 ect have or not versions without the gunner station.
I mean if are there completely closed versions.
If Crows or other RWS are mounted...can you explain me where they are installed?!
I see from the photos that I have that the RWS's are situated just in front of the hatch but in a prototype Humvee I've seen that it has a RWS where once there was the hatch.
When hmmwv's are delivered to the field how are they equipped?!I don't think they have the gunner station just mounted....or not?!

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Regards

Ciro Riccio

All HMMWVs that can be equipped with a weapon station have a flap that can be closed when the weapon station is not fitted. Some 4-door variants (the M1145 most notably) are simply not fitted with a weapon station or provision for one, and have a fixed plate in its place. I believe that such a modification can also be made to vehicles in roles where they are not authorized a weapon station.

I've can't remember seeing a picture of an HMMWV fitted with an RWS, though I'm sure they exist, so I'm not whether they're fitted in place of the existing turret ring or require some more serious modifications to the vehicle roof.

There are several right here on this site. No time to post links right now, but I'm sure that now you know, you can find them.

Hi Joe,do you mean a flap like this?!is it standard for all the humvee?!Can I apply it over an m1114/m1151 or there are differences!?

I mean this type of Hmmwv with RWS....I can go wrong but it seems to have the RWS in the centre of the roof.


Do you have pics of m1114/1151 with the flaps that we're talking about?!

Cheers

Ciro

M1114 and M1151 platforms are labeled on their data plates as 'Interim' Armament Carriers. They have a 'weapon station' installed typically. Those weapon stations can be protected by various types of kits.
1. Gunner shield kit- Basic shield mounted in conjunction with the weapon providing the gunner protection while employing the weapon system. There is no flank or rear protection with the GSK.
2. Gunner Protection Kit- Basic turret configuration used in conjunction with GSK. The short rear and side turret walls to provide limited 360 degree protection to the gunner.
3. Objective-Gunner Protection Kit (OGPK)- This turret configuration consists of a completely different design from the GPK. It has higher turret rear and side walls with ballistic protective vision blocks and completely new design gunner shield.

M1165 ECV HMMWV is 4-door up-armored HMMWV that does not have a factory installed gunner station. However, it has a cut-out and cover on the roof indicating a turret could be installed at a later time if necessary.

I have little knowledge of RWS so I will let others comment on that.

You can learn more at a HMMWV dedicated website that I'm slowly piecing together here: www.hmmwvinscale.com

No, that's the fixed plate found on the M1145 among others. In that picture its also part of the B-Kit roof, on what appears to be an M1165 with no turret fitted.

I'm talking about this:



In this picture, item 9 is "Weapon station hatch cover provides sealed protective covering for roof opening when weapons are not mounted to weapon station." This picture also shows the armament mount for weapons carriers, but the hatch cover portion of the turret assembly is the same for TOW missile carriers.

ok guys....thank you for your replies....what I'm looking for is something like this:

I really don't know who has the copywright of the photos.
Can you see that the m1114 has no roof hatch?!

Regards
Ciro

That's an M1145. After checking, I had it wrong. The M1145 has no hatch or plate what so ever. The fixed plate appears to be for the M1165 with the B-kit roof when not fitted with a weapon station.

Here are CROWS-fitted Humvees in Iraq :



...and here's the CROWS II :


HTH

Frenchy

Thank you guys!!
so....I assume that only the m1145 has no hatch on the roof.I see a walkaround on prime portal but there aren't pics of the roof.
Can I use the bronco m1114 to obtain an m1145??I think yes,only I need to close the roof cut out....right?!
Do you have any pics of m1114/m1151 with the same steel(?)plate of the m1165?!(if this thing exsist)

Cheers
Ciro

The M1145 was developed to provide an armored transport for USAF forward air controllers. I would imagine the interior configuration is different from a standard M1114, and there are also some additional antennas that can be seen in the picture (and I think the Prime Portal Walk-Around).




I think this plate only exists for 4-door vehicles fitted with the armored roof found in the B-kit armor package, but not fitted with a turret (which I would assume would basically mean only M1165/A1s with the B-kit). The standard M1165 (and possible the standard M1165A1) I believe should have the standard roof with the hatch, but I'd have to check the manuals.

It, from the looks of those CROWS shots, that they simply bolt onto the existing weapon mount.

Thank you Joe,
I've read somewhere that the internal configuration is different and also the comunication sistems are different.I think that except the absence of hatch it's the same of bronco m1114,about the exterior(I need to add antennas,of course)....about the interior...well they aren't so visible,maybe with weathering and the absence of the roof hatch it's not a big problem to depict the whole thing.....don't you think?!

Cheers

Ciro

Modifying the roof would probably be a relatively simple affair and otherwise, externally the M1145 is almost identical to the M1114.