it's the first time i've painted a face with oils so i'm looking for feedback please.
thanks stan
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stansmith
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 08:55 AM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 09:17 AM UTC
Hey Stan, looks good. One thing I noticed were the eyes, seem to be a little off. I know its a pain trying to get them matching and in the right spot but might be worth another try. I recommend getting the iris/pupil in the upper part of the eye and avoid centering them. a busted toothpick splinter seems to be a good tool.
Other than that, looking good! fun way to do faces eh?
Other than that, looking good! fun way to do faces eh?
stansmith
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 10:05 AM UTC
thanks for the feedback, the way you explained to do the eyes is exactly how i did it, i got the tip from ospreys modelling panzer crewmen of the heer, they only look off because of the camera, i tried to make them as close to the left side of the eyes a possible as thats where the guy is looking.
thanks for the feedback, stan
thanks for the feedback, stan
Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 10:05 AM UTC
While the eyes may be a little off I have to say it otherwise looks good to me and far better than anything I could do.
stansmith
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 10:11 AM UTC
thanks darren
Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 10:53 AM UTC
A good tip I learnt was to paint the left eye first (as you look at the face), if you're right handed, as is makes it easier to copy the iris's position when you move over to work on the right eye - you'll be obscuring the right eye as you paint the left...
Reverse this order if you're left handed...
Reverse this order if you're left handed...
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 12:48 PM UTC
Better than I can do. He looks seasick.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 03:38 PM UTC
in my opinion, you should never paint in the eyes. go look at anyone around you on the street and try to figure out how close they have to be before you can make out any details about their eyes. then notice how big their head looks compared to a 1/35 scale head held about 1.5 feet away from you (typical viewing distance for a model).
unless you have the eyes of a hawk, you won't see whites of anyone's eyes till they are quite close and appear far larger than that 1/35 scale figure at 1.5 feet distance - especially outside in daylight (even a cloudy day) when people are squinting (daylight is also the assumed case for most military figure presentations).
painting in eye detail on such a small figure is futile and unrealistic as far as i can tell. not painting in eyeballs and instead just giving the area a dark wash is easier and more accurate.
but then again, people like a challenge in this hobby...
nice enough work for your first try with oils though - better than my shaky hands can manage (hence my "you can't see people's eyeballs most the time" justifications)
unless you have the eyes of a hawk, you won't see whites of anyone's eyes till they are quite close and appear far larger than that 1/35 scale figure at 1.5 feet distance - especially outside in daylight (even a cloudy day) when people are squinting (daylight is also the assumed case for most military figure presentations).
painting in eye detail on such a small figure is futile and unrealistic as far as i can tell. not painting in eyeballs and instead just giving the area a dark wash is easier and more accurate.
but then again, people like a challenge in this hobby...
nice enough work for your first try with oils though - better than my shaky hands can manage (hence my "you can't see people's eyeballs most the time" justifications)
Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 05:45 AM UTC
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in my opinion, you should never paint in the eyes. go look at anyone around you on the street and try to figure out how close they have to be before you can make out any details about their eyes. then notice how big their head looks compared to a 1/35 scale head held about 1.5 feet away from you (typical viewing distance for a model).
unless you have the eyes of a hawk, you won't see whites of anyone's eyes till they are quite close and appear far larger than that 1/35 scale figure at 1.5 feet distance - especially outside in daylight (even a cloudy day) when people are squinting (daylight is also the assumed case for most military figure presentations).
painting in eye detail on such a small figure is futile and unrealistic as far as i can tell. not painting in eyeballs and instead just giving the area a dark wash is easier and more accurate.
but then again, people like a challenge in this hobby...
nice enough work for your first try with oils though - better than my shaky hands can manage (hence my "you can't see people's eyeballs most the time" justifications)
I agree with you here and I've heard this explained by several other figure modellers aswell. I tend to practice this with 1/35 figures. I usually dot in the eyes with some dark paint (black, black-grey, dark brown etc) and then 'block in' the detail around it.
I also paint busts and even there a lot of painters don't/won't use white for the whites of the eyes because it is too stark even in 1/10 or 1/9. Instead most (including myself) use things like off-white and perhaps mixing in some red or washing some red over the eyes- some even use the skin's lightest highlight for the whites.
Stan- I haven't painted faces with oils in a while but I think you've done a great job with the face especially for a first go. I can remember my first attempt with oils in 1/35 looked like a pasty orange blob!
One thing though- the reddish color is a little too stark- my suggestion is to tone it down with a little of the flesh color you've used. The lips are also too pink, again try and tone them down with a little flesh.
Good luck!
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Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 06:43 AM UTC
Great 1st attempt, great tipoff Rich (Doghead). I'd to try and tone down the pink cheeks a little. Nice one Stan
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Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 07:51 AM UTC
thanks for all the comments and help guys the reason that he has really rosy cheeks is that i'm doing it for my diorama that is going to be depicted in a cold winter in russia so i thought that he migh get abit red in the face. i'll be sure to use everyones tips for the next face i'll be painting
Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 08:24 AM UTC
Hi Stanley. Getting better all the time.
Another tip from Mark Bannerman .... only paint the bottom lip. Too much colour can look like lipstick. Also add a very thin line of the skin colour through this lip to show reflection .... looks natural and takes away the lipstick effect.
With some figures, its not worth painting the eyes as they are too slanted, but figures like this one, would look really odd if the eyes were not painted in. This should be decided figure by figure and not after some rule for 1/35 figures.
Another tip from Mark Bannerman .... only paint the bottom lip. Too much colour can look like lipstick. Also add a very thin line of the skin colour through this lip to show reflection .... looks natural and takes away the lipstick effect.
With some figures, its not worth painting the eyes as they are too slanted, but figures like this one, would look really odd if the eyes were not painted in. This should be decided figure by figure and not after some rule for 1/35 figures.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 09:59 AM UTC
thanks fro the tip frank