My airbrush loves you!! I just finished laying down my base coat of paint on my Grille project, and I have to say after using Vallejo lately, I was pleasantly surprised at how well Tamiya flowed from my airbrush and coated my model.
I have been using (or Trying) vallejo lately and have not been impressed.
I am not bashing Vallejo, I did use their new primer, and that went on with excellent results. I also find vallejo acrylics work good when using brushes.
I have used Tamiya most of my modelling years, and recently discovered mixing the paint with their laquer thinner will give you an awesome finish. For me nothing is better than that, and that's what I'm sticking with.
Just my $.02
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Posted: Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 07:45 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 07:57 AM UTC
I'll second that
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Posted: Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 08:01 AM UTC
Me too, Tamiya thinned with windex is the best to spray.
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Posted: Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 09:42 AM UTC
Argh...I still am looking for a nearby store for Tamiya acrylics...
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Posted: Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:56 AM UTC
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Argh...I still am looking for a nearby store for Tamiya acrylics...
Yeah thats the hard part!
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Posted: Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 12:28 PM UTC
Just got back from a short vacation in Florida. We hit a few hobby shops to see what goodies we could find. Both had full stocks of Model Master and Humbrol paints, but the Tamiya racks were mostly bare. What a shame.
I use both Tamiya and Model Master acrylics, but find myself ordering Tamiya paints, glues, thinners, etc. from Sprue Brothers. Just can't get it locally for a long time.
I was running low on Tamiya's lacquer Grey primer for air guns. Fortunately, I found a few bottles at the Suffolk IPMS Replicon convention last month.
BTW, the selection of armor models was so poor, I couldn't find a single kit to buy, and I was hoping to buy a few kits.
I use both Tamiya and Model Master acrylics, but find myself ordering Tamiya paints, glues, thinners, etc. from Sprue Brothers. Just can't get it locally for a long time.
I was running low on Tamiya's lacquer Grey primer for air guns. Fortunately, I found a few bottles at the Suffolk IPMS Replicon convention last month.
BTW, the selection of armor models was so poor, I couldn't find a single kit to buy, and I was hoping to buy a few kits.
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Posted: Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 12:37 PM UTC
Tamiya is by far the most beloved of my ab. Don't fret if you can't find Tamiya paints locally. They are going through a relabelling in the US, due to new import regulations. They should be available, again, within a few months. Till then, you can order them through redfroghobbies.com or several other internet stores. Buy the big ones, if you can. I don't predict we will see those for sale anytime soon.
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Posted: Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 03:55 PM UTC
There is no question, Tamiya is simply THE BEST acrylic paint I've tried (followed closely by Gunze Aqueous Hobby Color). I've been testing Vallejo Model Air, MM Acryl, Polly Scale, LifeColor, et al, and nothing compares with how Tamiya comes out of the a/b. If I were given one modeling wish, it would be for Tamiya to expand its range to include more colors.
I do have to say, however, that I do prefer Vallejo for brush painting though. Have had nothing but good results with a brush using this range.
Rob
I do have to say, however, that I do prefer Vallejo for brush painting though. Have had nothing but good results with a brush using this range.
Rob
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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 - 01:24 AM UTC
Is Vallejo worth the price? I don't have a lhs that carries it, so I'd be paying somewhere in the ballpark of $3 per bottle. For the same amount, I can order the 23ml bottles of Tamiya.
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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 - 01:56 AM UTC
I've used Life Color a few times, and just loved it. Great color range, thins beautifully, and flows on smooth as silk. Disadvantage is that I have to order it over the net. No one carries it locally.
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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 - 02:07 AM UTC
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I have used Tamiya most of my modelling years, and recently discovered mixing the paint with their laquer thinner will give you an awesome finish. For me nothing is better than that, and that's what I'm sticking with.
Just my $.02
Hi Nathan,
I have heard about mixing Tamiya with their lacquer thinner which yields smooth finish, are you referring to mixing Tamiya acrylic with their blue capped lacquer thinner? The last time I tried with their lac thinner, I think the tamiya acrylic paint formed a ball and clogged my AB.
Mixing their lacquers with their thinner produced an immiscible oily layer which was more like a wash when out of my AB...
There must be something I did wrong, please advise.
Kiong
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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 - 02:31 AM UTC
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Me too, Tamiya thinned with windex is the best to spray.
Thinning with Windex? I'll have to give that a try. Have you tried to thin Vallejo (not model air) with Windex and shooting that through the air brush?
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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 - 03:03 AM UTC
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I have used Tamiya most of my modelling years, and recently discovered mixing the paint with their laquer thinner will give you an awesome finish. For me nothing is better than that, and that's what I'm sticking with.
Just my $.02
Hi Nathan,
I have heard about mixing Tamiya with their lacquer thinner which yields smooth finish, are you referring to mixing Tamiya acrylic with their blue capped lacquer thinner? The last time I tried with their lac thinner, I think the tamiya acrylic paint formed a ball and clogged my AB.
Mixing their lacquers with their thinner produced an immiscible oily layer which was more like a wash when out of my AB...
There must be something I did wrong, please advise.
Kiong
No no no no, The Tamiya thinner with the yellow cap! It is very hard to find but if you do, do yourself a favor and order a couple bottles(and 1 for me)! I know they sell it at luckymodel.com, but that is a chinese company and it takesa little longer to get your order. I'm sure other websites stock the stuff too.
I used to always thin my Tamiya acrylics with Iso alcohol, but always had gritty finish that I had to sand smooth half the time. I also tried thinning with windex, or water and still not completely satisfied. But once I used the Yellow cap thinner I fell in love!!
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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 - 03:17 AM UTC
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No no no no, The Tamiya thinner with the yellow cap! It is very hard to find but if you do, do yourself a favor and order a couple bottles(and 1 for me)! I know they sell it at luckymodel.com, but that is a chinese company and it takesa little longer to get your order. I'm sure other websites stock the stuff too.
I used to always thin my Tamiya acrylics with Iso alcohol, but always had gritty finish that I had to sand smooth half the time. I also tried thinning with windex, or water and still not completely satisfied. But once I used the Yellow cap thinner I fell in love!!
Nathan, have you ever tried thinning Tamiya with it's own acrylic thinner (X20A white cap)? It's specifically designed for these paints and they work superbly. They key to avoiding grittiness with Tamiya when using anything other than its lacquer thinner is to drop the pressure, get close to the model with the a/b and lay the pain somewhat wet. With this, you'll never experience that sandy texture on the model again. I learned how to properly spray Tamiya with its acrylic thinner (X20A) from Bob Oehler in one of his many books. Works perfectly!
Rob
Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 - 05:46 AM UTC
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Is Vallejo worth the price? I don't have a lhs that carries it, so I'd be paying somewhere in the ballpark of $3 per bottle. For the same amount, I can order the 23ml bottles of Tamiya.
Vallejo is 100% worth it for figure painting- actually any sort of brush painting really. Model Air is not as easy to use as Tamiya in an airbrush though.
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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 - 06:15 AM UTC
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Quoted TextIs Vallejo worth the price? I don't have a lhs that carries it, so I'd be paying somewhere in the ballpark of $3 per bottle. For the same amount, I can order the 23ml bottles of Tamiya.
Vallejo is 100% worth it for figure painting- actually any sort of brush painting really. Model Air is not as easy to use as Tamiya in an airbrush though.
+1 with Karl on Vallejo being 100% worth it for brush painting! I use the Model Color range for figures and detail painting on 1/48 and 1/32 cockpits. Model Air, well, I don't it like much as it doesn't spray as smooth as Tamiya does and is fairly temperamental (clogs my a/b, etc). I guess I just haven't found the key to success with Model Air just yet. One day perhaps...
Rob
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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 - 12:04 PM UTC
I may have another "thinner" for you.I have been messing around with Expo white board cleaner,after seeing that it contains some of the same chems. as tamiya's acrylic paints.I have not done very much testing yet but thined some paint with it and brushed it on some scrap I had.The mixture was smooth with no grainyness, brushed on well and did not dry to fast. I have not tried it in an AB.Jeff
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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 - 12:13 PM UTC
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I have used Tamiya most of my modelling years, and recently discovered mixing the paint with their laquer thinner will give you an awesome finish. For me nothing is better than that, and that's what I'm sticking with.
Just my $.02
Hi Nathan,
I have heard about mixing Tamiya with their lacquer thinner which yields smooth finish, are you referring to mixing Tamiya acrylic with their blue capped lacquer thinner? The last time I tried with their lac thinner, I think the tamiya acrylic paint formed a ball and clogged my AB.
Mixing their lacquers with their thinner produced an immiscible oily layer which was more like a wash when out of my AB...
There must be something I did wrong, please advise.
Kiong
Kiong,
The blue capped thinner is for Tamiya enamels and will not mix with the acrylics. The enamel thinner is essentially mineral spirits and is not at all compatible with the acrylic paints. As mentioned above, Tamiya's lacquer thinner has a yellow cap and seems to work for both their enamels and acrylics.
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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 - 07:06 PM UTC
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I have used Tamiya most of my modelling years, and recently discovered mixing the paint with their laquer thinner will give you an awesome finish. For me nothing is better than that, and that's what I'm sticking with.
Just my $.02
Hi Nathan,
I have heard about mixing Tamiya with their lacquer thinner which yields smooth finish, are you referring to mixing Tamiya acrylic with their blue capped lacquer thinner? The last time I tried with their lac thinner, I think the tamiya acrylic paint formed a ball and clogged my AB.
Mixing their lacquers with their thinner produced an immiscible oily layer which was more like a wash when out of my AB...
There must be something I did wrong, please advise.
Kiong
Kiong,
The blue capped thinner is for Tamiya enamels and will not mix with the acrylics. The enamel thinner is essentially mineral spirits and is not at all compatible with the acrylic paints. As mentioned above, Tamiya's lacquer thinner has a yellow cap and seems to work for both their enamels and acrylics.
Hi Nathan and Phil,
Now I get it, people have been referring to the yellow cap ones, which I have never seen before here. I shall call up my local Tamiya to check stock.
You know, I have been experiencing the same grainy rough finish with Tamiya acrylics, so I was always wondering how on earth people get such smooth and beautiful finish with Tamiya acrylics...
Thanks man
Cheers
Kiong
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Posted: Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 01:37 AM UTC
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You know, I have been experiencing the same grainy rough finish with Tamiya acrylics, so I was always wondering how on earth people get such smooth and beautiful finish with Tamiya acrylics...
Thanks man
Cheers
Kiong
Hi Kiong,
Rob has it pretty well covered above:
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They key to avoiding grittiness with Tamiya when using anything other than its lacquer thinner is to drop the pressure, get close to the model with the a/b and lay the pain somewhat wet. With this, you'll never experience that sandy texture on the model again.
I will add that Tamiya acrylics like to be airbrushed very thin, moreso than most people expect. If using X-20A, 2-3 parts thinner to one part paint works well. You can take it even further if you use denatured alcohol or Tamiya's lacquer thinner.
As Rob said, lower the pressure and get up close and personal. Once you get the hang of it, you'll be amazed at the difference.
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Posted: Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 09:36 AM UTC
Not to be a killjoy but the fact still remains that Tamiya paint is getting hard to find.Relabeling or not ,that is still a big problem.I have been looking for some X20a since christmas and still no one has it in stock and can't tell me when they will. Jeff
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Posted: Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 03:35 PM UTC
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Not to be a killjoy but the fact still remains that Tamiya paint is getting hard to find.Relabeling or not ,that is still a big problem.I have been looking for some X20a since christmas and still no one has it in stock and can't tell me when they will. Jeff
Yep, hard to find around here nowadays but if you order from places like Lucky Model you shouldn't have any problems. I purchased 3 250ml jars on my last order and it wasn't that much more expensive than getting them directly form the LHS.
Oh, on the note of my LHS, I was there today and finally saw a restock of the very popular Tamiya Fine Surface Primer. I hadn't seen one of those for over a year there so needles to say I jumped on it and bought 3 of the 4 they had. I asked the manager about the primer being there and he told me they (Tamiya) seem to finally be close to sorting out their labeling issues. According to him, we should start to see Tamiya products slowly coming back on the market. That was definitely good news.
Rob
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Posted: Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 03:44 PM UTC
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Quoted TextYou know, I have been experiencing the same grainy rough finish with Tamiya acrylics, so I was always wondering how on earth people get such smooth and beautiful finish with Tamiya acrylics...
Thanks man
Cheers
Kiong
Hi Kiong,
Rob has it pretty well covered above:Quoted TextThey key to avoiding grittiness with Tamiya when using anything other than its lacquer thinner is to drop the pressure, get close to the model with the a/b and lay the pain somewhat wet. With this, you'll never experience that sandy texture on the model again.
I will add that Tamiya acrylics like to be airbrushed very thin, moreso than most people expect. If using X-20A, 2-3 parts thinner to one part paint works well. You can take it even further if you use denatured alcohol or Tamiya's lacquer thinner.
As Rob said, lower the pressure and get up close and personal. Once you get the hang of it, you'll be amazed at the difference.
I think we need some more quotes going on here!!
Any way I believe Rob's technique with using the X-20A thinner may work, but I just prefer to use the Lacquer thinner (yellow Cap) that Tamiya makes.
It is almost fool proof for great finnish. You don't have to be exact on how much thinner to paint ratio you have, it sprays well at a wide range of pressures, and you don't have to get super close to model and worry about having the paint go on wet all the time.
Yes it will be easier to find x-20a thinner but for me the Yellow cap is worth the search and price! Here is a picture of it , you can tell how large the bottle is compared to a regular paint bottle.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 05:42 AM UTC
Yep, I have the same Tamiya lacquer bottle you have Nathan but mine has been sitting in my paint drawer unused (brand new) for over 2 years now. As mentioned somewhere above, I do know and agree with you that there is really nothing better than to thin Tamiya paints with its lacquer thinner for amazing results. Wish I could, but the vapors seem just too strong for the likes of SWMBO and my 10 year-old son. One day maybe...
Rob
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