Hi all

Although at the moment i've been busy in other projects (such for exemple my Skif BMD-1), I was thinking to make soon a Russian Gaz-67. As you probably know, there are two kits which represent the small Russian staff car,one made by AER Moldova which is quite ugly and hard to find and one made by Tamiya. Japanese kit is very old so it has a lot of flaws and rough details.
Anyway it was very cheap so last Saturday I bought the kit



I think i'll use only some parts of the tamiya kit. To reproduce chassis suspensions and wheels i'll use the Mini art Ba-64 B kit



As you know, Ba-64 was built on the Gaz-67 chassis, so in my kit bashing project, i'll do the opposite process. Most likely I'll have to reproduce lots of details and many body parts, but I think that will be probably the fun side of the build

Anyway, as usual I collected A LOT of reference pics and drawing (some of them in 35 scale). The only thing which I can't find are some original ww2 pics of the Gaz car

Do you have any reference about? Where can I find that pics?

Any help or comment will be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance

Cheers

Hi!
You can find lots of photos here-
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=42954&hilit=towing


The old AER-Moldova kits you can buy in new skin-

Hi Andrij

This link is incredibly useful, I tank you a million for it!.
It has plenty of interesting photos, for exemple there are many BA-10 used by German army(I have the Zvezda kit abd Mini art wheels)
Regarding the Gaz-67 unfortunately there are only few pics which depict the earlier version.

Anyway, as I told you, thanks a lot indeed

Cheers

I guess the two period pics above show GAZ-64s, not GAZ-67s...

Frenchy

Yes that's it Frenchy

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:GAZ-64-bw.jpg

We can consider the Gaz-64 an earlier version of Gaz-67, but its right name is Gaz-64 actually

Hi Mauro

The only GAZ-67 WW2 picture I've found so far is one you probably have already...
Sofia, September 1944 :


Frenchy

Thanks Frenchy

Waht about other periods and other owners?

I know for example that corean and vietnamese army had the russian jeep

Poland used some postwar.

Cheers,

Christophe

Interesting wheels for this model have made Gunsmith from Russia-
First type -

Second type-

Here are a few North Korean ones :









HTH

Frenchy

Speaking of wheels, Hussar make some BA-64 wheels that may fit the bill.



Cheers,

Christophe

Yes, the wheels which I have are different from the real ones





I don't know if I'll buy a wheel extra set. Maybe i'm fool but I want try to modify those which i have

Thanks a lot Frenchy for the pics!

And many thanks to all of you for the useful info

Hey, Mauro!
I am really surprised you decided to sacrifice BA-64 for it. But maybe I am not into softskin enough.
Let me know if you need a manual with drive train parts catalog on GAZ-67B.

Good luck with your project!
Alex

Hi Alex

Well, Tamiya GAZ-67 was one of the first model which I made when I began to be a kit modeller, I really like that car and I really don't know why Miniart hasn't produced a kit yet. It was a quite diffuse staff car in WW2, having just two old and rough kits of it, is a pity indeed in my opinion
Furthermore, scratchbuilding (with plastic card, aluminium foils and copper wires) this car could be a good exercise to enhance my skill. I don't know yet, but if I collect enough references, I could consider to reproduce a bigger scale model (1/24 or 1/16)
However I have two Ba-64 in my stash..

I'd like to have your manual, thanks a million Alex. I'll send a PM with my e-mail adress

Cheers

Armo make two PE/update sets one for the WW2 variant one for the postwar variant.

I have the two sets because I plan to make both!

The Kagero TOPSHOTS booklet is very good for reference and has a decal sheet included.



Cheers,

Christophe

Thanks a lot for useful informations Christophe

Maybe I'm a rivet counter, but It seems to me that a PE upgrade set coulndn't be enough to improve the Tamiya kit

The worst part of the Japanese kit is the lower chassis whis is one piece moulded. There is a solid plate near the engine. actually that zone has to be empty. Furthermore axles are rough (even rougher than the original ones) The kit was produced in the seventies, so parts are "thick as bricks".
Engine is not depicted and wheels treads are incorrect....anyhing else?

It will be a challenging and interesting job doing something good starting from it, but in my humble opinion a modeller has to tackle this kind of projects. Aren't we only assemblers of DML kits, are we?

Kagero book could be interesting indeed. Anyway I have already downloaded several references

Thanks again

cheers

ps




If you need reference pics let me know, I'll be very glad to give you them

They have too many differences. GAZ-64 is hard to find even on photos, there is none left these days in any condition. Some museum tries to build a replica using parts of 67, which isn't rare at all.

Thanks for the pictures of 64.

gaz 64












gaz 67 1943








gaz 67 1953





Gaz 67 initially was conceived as an improvment of Gaz 64, but level of rework was so great that that it took the assignment of a new model chassis called "67". Production began on 15th February 1943
Car body was changed and dimensions increased slightly in length (up to 3345mm) and markedly in width (up to 1690 mm)

You're right when you say that Gaz 64 and 67 were very different , but considering that the second one was born an improvment of the first one, we can consider, in my humble opinion, that gaz 64 was a sort of earlier version of gaz 67

Thanks to you for the comment

Cheers

Mauro,
Thank you for your comment. Actually, if we consider 64 as a father and 67 as a son, there was also a grandfather in the family, which is NATI-AR.

[img]http://gallery.kitmaker.net/500/thumbs/1053_1040_1058_1048_-_1040_1056_-2_071.JPG" BORDER="0">[img]http://gallery.kitmaker.net/500/thumbs/1nati2.jpg" BORDER="0">[img]

PS Sorry still couldn't figure out how to upload images

....grandfather was the ugliest of the family

here the gaz-64 prototype



Designers were surely inspired by the first Bantam jeep



cheers

very nice!
i know the proud and lucky owner of one of these beautiful machines

Lucky you!

Do you have perhaps some pics of it?

cheers

Good luck Mauro...