Hi everyone..

Is anybody have a blueprint or drawing about the exact shape of "T-80 BV Turret"?? All of the reference information in here and especially in the web are very confusing about this matter.

Thanks a lot...

T-80BW (BV in english) have the same turret as T-80B, so instead searching in google under T-80BV, search under T-80B, or try to search in some books, however the best ones are in Russian and these are hard to get.

Hi Damian,

I'm talking about this:

http://www.smcars.net/forums/tanks/24268-t-80-1985-a.html

or this:

http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/tanks/russiantanks/41080/view/russian_main_battle_tank_t-80bv/

which one is correct? or are they completely wrong? The second turret's shape looks like Zvezda's T-80 BV...

The first link refers to a T-80U 1985 produced in Kharkov. The turret would be later used in the T-80UD and T-80U. The second link is of a T-80BV, although the shape of the frontal part of the turret changed throughout the history of the tank as it was uparmoured. The best T-80B blueprint that I have found is the one of the M-Hobby 2007 4 (80).

The tankomaster, polygon, frontline books have good T-80U drawings to:
http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?OTH-107
http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?FRI-056

Best Regards,
Raul Urbina

According to this page BV turret has at least two different shapes (please read the T-80 BV description) :

http://www.armscontrol.ru/atmtc/arms_systems/land/tanks/main_battle_tanks.htm

Here si where it gets confusing. Depending on the source that you use and how current it is will clasify it as a t-80B or a T-80U. The turret in the "first link" was developed in the prototype tank Object 219A. When production started it was called, depending on the source, T-80U. The first deliveries of the T-80Uscame with the Kontact- K1 ERA. I personally prefer Jacques Duquette's T-80 clasification.

http://mmfs0.tripod.com/reviews/t80/

Best Regards,
Raul Urbina

An M-Hobby magazine comes with T-80BV plans... I think it is the 2007/4 issue, it looks nice. Best regards.

José.

I heard that M Hobby 2007/4 issue has that drawings/plans, but it's very hard to find, nearly impossible..

And Raul, i want to find that plans as Jacques Duquette's classifications as well but as i said all of this information too much, seriously very confusing, i wish to someone can make simple this matter, but i know that this is very hard

The Jacques classsification that I'm refering to is in http://mmfs0.tripod.com/reviews/t80/

Part of the M-Hobby T-80 plans are in the webpage of the first link you sent.

To clarify, The T-80B used a derivative of the T-64 turret. The T-80U/T-80A used a derivative of the turrets in prototype tanks object 476 and object 219A.
You can find a genealogy in the following page:
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/history/_all.gif (as you can see T-80A is close to the drawing on your first link)

I really prefer the (http://btvt.narod.ru use google translator) webpage over the (http://www.armscontrol.ru/atmtc/arms_systems/land/tanks/main_battle_tanks.htm)

T-80B information (drawing of your second link)
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html

Object 219A tank prototype information (drawing on your first link)
http://btvt.narod.ru/3/219a.htm

T-80U information
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80u.htm

Best Regards,
Raul Urbina

The closest thing to a proper T-80B turret out there is the Miniarm T-64B turret. It is not a perfect match, but very close to a standard T-80B turret, it would be a good base to start from. Add ERA for a T-80BV turret.

There are NO good T-80B drawings,diagrams, or blueprints our there. The M-hobby drawings are supposedly good, but they are nearly mythical in not being available.

I did the research when I was not working so I had a lot of free time to look over the timelines, specs, and available information. I will admit that I might be wrong BUT my thoughts (on the link noted in previous posts) are as complete as anything I have seen postulated since (even from Mr. Zaloga). The T-80B is still a active tank in Russian service, and the Russians are naturally secretive...but I am honestly perplexed as to why there is no good set of drawings, or a good model of, the T-80B.

(I am slowly working on a master of the T-80B to be released in resin, but this may take a while longer...been a VERY busy year and my kids are starting to hit teen-age-age, meaning lots of activites and drama...sigh. )

As for MOST T-80B drawings, they are based on Steve Zaloga's work for the DOD in the 1980's based on satellite images. Good for then, but inaccurate now.

Hope that helps out somewhat.

In my humble opinion this is one of the best t-80bv builds Ive seen. http://www.dishmodels.ru/gshow.htm?p=5037 IS this accurate?

I agree, excellent model. Maybe you know it, but you can find more information here.
(http://shop.afvmodeller.com/customer/product.php?productid=17902&cat=&page=1).

I hope this model also ends being an inspiring one too.
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/180089&ord=&page=1

Best Regards,

Thanks Raul and thanks Jacques, both of you very helpful.

I did a small research and digging on the web after your messages and i can say that shape of the T-80 BV turret is nearly circular (i suppose ) it does not has pointy rear like Zvezda's turret or does not has sharp rear edges like Skif's turret but very circular like..

I will start modelling Zvezda T-80 BV (yes i know) and even it is very inaccurate, i want to make it very realistic, with lots of aftermarket and scratching, it's a big project for me as an amateur. Maybe i will share it in here if i will trust myself

Thanks again everyone...

Grzegorz's Zvezda, and his polish friend's magnificent DML builds inspired me in the first place! Especially DML one's scratching is unbelievable !! I really want to see these two projects ended..

I've read an article about that stunning T-80 BV model

Alexey Sergeyev has done a kit bashing between Skif and Zvezda kits

Lower hull, frontal upper hull, suspensions, external fuel cells and stowages come from Skif kit, turret and some details come from Zvezda (Dragon) kit. Road wheels and track links are Master Club items, Gun is an aluminum barrel and ERA extra armours are resin parts. Antenna and smoke grenade launchers are Modelpoint sets. He used also an Eduard PE set

Anyway, as you probably imagine, job was HUGE. You can find some pics here:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6032/6234526165_70273dc899_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6151/6234512265_6cc6d6324e_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6161/6235034996_bd1843c645_b.jpg

(ps PICS HAVE BEEN POSTED ONLY FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSE)

Correct me if I am wrong, gents, but isn't the turret of T-80B is the same turret as T-64B?

Turret in this blueprints is much like a T-80 U turret i think, it's really different from T-64 B and so T-80 BV (as you guys said before). Please correct me, if i'm wrong...

Thanks for the share by the way

If it`s about the shape T-80B and T-64B is almost the same shape. There is a few differences. Take a look at the picture:



give an attention for a green circle! In T-64 turret there is a small downcast from both sides of turret. In T-80B you not gonna find it. There is one more difference between T-64B turret and T-80B turret. Take a look at the picture once again and you will see a purple circle!! That part is also different in T-64 and different in T-80. Here is an example:



Maby I will use a T64B turret from Miniarm in my T-80BV.

I have also a few drawings of T-80B. Maby this will help:








Best regards

Hi Grzegorz,

Thanks for the share and explanations, your T-80 BV project is really inspring, i'm following it

Also i found some interesting reference photos today, not blueprints but they are really helpful i think, especially the last one on the link:

http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=822

I wanted to share it here, in case of you guys already don't know about these

couple of people beat me to it with the M-hobby drawings but here's the index anyway, many other good plans. http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/M/''M-Hobbi''/_''M-Hobbi''.html

Sean

Oh my...

that'll keep me quiet for a while, can't read any Russian, but a lot of pics of intrest , thanks for sharing!