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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 01:12 AM UTC
Hi, guys,
I have some questions about building a M1114 with interim FRAG 5 kit.
I have the interim FRAG 5 from Voyager, but the problem is: was there USMC M1114 with interim frag 5, and the dome looking ECM antenna + RHINO. All pics that I have show it with what I think is called MAK up-armoring and no RHINO.
If there is such a configuration witch is the correct type antenna as Voyager are proposing 2 different dome antennae. The differ in the way they are mounted to the back of the vehicle. Here are these two offerings.





My final question - is the suspension from DEF model for Academy's M1151 is suitable for Bronco's M1114?



Thanks,
Dimitar
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 01:54 AM UTC
Hi Dimitar

Here's a USMC M1114 that looks quite close to Voyager's offering :



...save for the turret and the Rhino. I'm not sure the latter is often fitted to Marine vehicles...

The Chameleon antenna mount at the rear appears to be the same as the one in the first picture you've posted.

HTH

Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 02:58 AM UTC
Hi, Frenchy,
this one is a nice starting point, thanks for sharing it. Do u have any pictures ot the front antenna mounting (the one oh the hood).
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 03:45 AM UTC

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Do u have any pictures ot the front antenna mounting (the one oh the hood).


I guess it could look like this :



HTH

Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 04:16 AM UTC

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My final question - is the suspension from DEF model for Academy's M1151 is suitable for Bronco's M1114?



Thanks,
Dimitar


You don't really need the suspension set on the Bronco kit. The reason its offered for the Academy M1151 is because they messed up the ride height, and I also believe that theres problems with the Academy suspension which leave the wheels facing slightly at an angle.

Just stick some weighed wheels on the Bronco kit to give the impression of added weight.
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 05:18 AM UTC
I've found another view of a front antenna mount that may differ slightly from the one in my previous post (black arrow) :



HTH

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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 10:17 AM UTC
Thank you so much, guys!!! Great photos, Frenchy!
Rob, I'll fallow your advise. Thanks again and Cheers!
As soon as I collect the products needed a WIP will be posted.
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 06:48 PM UTC
Hey Dimitar,
yes, there were some Hmmwv's with interim FRAG 5 and the Chameleon device.
not shure if these were marines though...




as for the voyager interim FRAG 5 set, unfortunately it's incomplete, as it only includes the spaced doors whereas the real package consists of an additional chassis armor in the first place... you'll have to scratch those armor panels as seen here:


AFAIK the two different types of Chameleon antennae don't differ in terms of use or functionality it's only a matter of attachment, for the bar-like frame that small white antenna mount on the right rear (in your first pic) won't be needed.
I've only seen one or two HMMWV's with the Chameleon and the RHINO mounted, here's an example:

note, this is not the interim FRAG 5 version however...

Cheers, Max
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2011 - 12:20 AM UTC

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as for the voyager interim FRAG 5 set, unfortunately it's incomplete, as it only includes the spaced doors whereas the real package consists of an additional chassis armor in the first place... you'll have to scratch those armor panels as seen here:

The Frag 5 kits, interim or objective are just the doors. The rocker panel and pillar overlays are the Frag 1 kit. The Frag 1 kit I believe is molded onto Bronco's M1114 Up-Armored (HA) kit. Its shown fitted in the box art at least.
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2011 - 01:55 AM UTC

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as for the voyager interim FRAG 5 set, unfortunately it's incomplete, as it only includes the spaced doors whereas the real package consists of an additional chassis armor in the first place... you'll have to scratch those armor panels as seen here:

The Frag 5 kits, interim or objective are just the doors. The rocker panel and pillar overlays are the Frag 1 kit. The Frag 1 kit I believe is molded onto Bronco's M1114 Up-Armored (HA) kit. Its shown fitted in the box art at least.


Yes the M1114 Frag 5 (35092) includes the Frag 1 armoured rocker panels.
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2011 - 02:56 AM UTC
So, bottom line, for anything different than a "clean" M1114, I'll need the HA version (35082), or if I use 35080 as a base kit I must add these rocker panels? And just in case - how thick are they?
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2011 - 08:44 PM UTC

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as for the voyager interim FRAG 5 set, unfortunately it's incomplete, as it only includes the spaced doors whereas the real package consists of an additional chassis armor in the first place... you'll have to scratch those armor panels as seen here:

The Frag 5 kits, interim or objective are just the doors. The rocker panel and pillar overlays are the Frag 1 kit. The Frag 1 kit I believe is molded onto Bronco's M1114 Up-Armored (HA) kit. Its shown fitted in the box art at least.


Yes the M1114 Frag 5 (35092) includes the Frag 1 armoured rocker panels.


well, then it's not part of the kit, anyway it's commonly used together, I've only seen one pic of an interim FRAG 5 HMMWV without the rocker panels...

Dimitar, I'd say these are about 0.4-0.5 mm thick, if you use the Bronco HA version you'll have to change some other bits as well, there was an other build here on AR with the HA parts on a standard M1114 a while ago...

Cheers, Max
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2011 - 11:26 PM UTC

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as for the voyager interim FRAG 5 set, unfortunately it's incomplete, as it only includes the spaced doors whereas the real package consists of an additional chassis armor in the first place... you'll have to scratch those armor panels as seen here:

The Frag 5 kits, interim or objective are just the doors. The rocker panel and pillar overlays are the Frag 1 kit. The Frag 1 kit I believe is molded onto Bronco's M1114 Up-Armored (HA) kit. Its shown fitted in the box art at least.


Yes the M1114 Frag 5 (35092) includes the Frag 1 armoured rocker panels.


well, then it's not part of the kit, anyway it's commonly used together, I've only seen one pic of an interim FRAG 5 HMMWV without the rocker panels...

Dimitar, I'd say these are about 0.4-0.5 mm thick, if you use the Bronco HA version you'll have to change some other bits as well, there was an other build here on AR with the HA parts on a standard M1114 a while ago...

Cheers, Max


Sorry, I mean that the Bronco M1114 Frag 5 kit includes the rocker panels. Of course as you say they rocker panels and Frag doors are two different kits, but mostly always used together.
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Posted: Thursday, November 24, 2011 - 09:23 AM UTC
Hi, guys, and thank you for the replies and for making things clear.
As I have both kits I'll probably scratch the rocker panels using the M1114 HA kit as a guide.
Thanks again and I hope to see you soon in the WIP thread (as soon as I find Voyager's antenna type 1).

Cheers,
Dimitar
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Posted: Thursday, November 24, 2011 - 10:29 AM UTC
Interesting thread. Max, I would like to ask, what is that truck on Your last photo? Is it somehow possible to model it?
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Posted: Thursday, November 24, 2011 - 11:15 AM UTC

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what is that truck on Your last photo? Is it somehow possible to model it?


It's a USMC 7-ton Oshkosh MTVR (Medium Tactical Vehicle Replacement truck). This one is fitted with the ECP-59 Armor Protection Kit (APK).

Here's another view :



(more info here : http://defense-update.com/products/m/mtvr-protection.htm )

Trumpeter has announced a 1/35th scale MTVR kit some time ago......
AFAIK the only kit available is a 1/87th one made by Trident :


HTH

Frenchy
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Posted: Thursday, November 24, 2011 - 06:40 PM UTC
yeah,
I was really looking forward to that trumpy release but guess they just gave up onb that project... too sad, the master posted here a while ago was really looking good...

Rob, I'm somehow confused by the two kits names as well, Bronco kit with Frag 5 is what I meant...

Dimitar, just in case you don't yet have the Chameleon antenna, I'd recommend you using the blast one, it's got a couple more details atop the dome's base-plate and should be a little less fiddly to assemble...

Cheers, Max
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 09:47 PM UTC
Max, I saw the antenna from BLAST, but as I was wondering what to do and what to order this news come along - Bronco's 1/35 Buffalo with a Chameleon antenna ready to use and made of plastic. So I think if it's OK to use this one, instead of fighting some aftermarkets.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 - 11:58 PM UTC
Two new questions.
First: what are these two umbrella like antennas - anti IED system or communication gear? Is there any aftermarket options for them - available or planned?

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Second: the huge boxes bolted to the doors - is that a FRAG 6 kit? And again - any aftermarket?

NewHummvee

The more a dig tons of options appear. At least for now I know what to do with my FRAG 5 by Bronco. A Czech PRT Humvee. As soon as I get the SKP set I'll start a construction blog.
Have a great day!
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Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 01:26 AM UTC
Never seen that before. They look similar to the the armor panels applied to the MRAP's that were pulling out of Iraq a few months ago. Those were designed to defeat side firing EFP's and (I believe) were specific to trucks deployed to Iraq.

Hopefully someone will release a comprehensive book on all the upgrades applied to Humvees in the last decade or so.

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Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 02:35 AM UTC
Didn't see this answered, but you don't need the DEF Models set for the Bronco kit...the Academy kit has a jacked up suspension and the DEF kit corrects it.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 04:46 AM UTC

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Second: the huge boxes bolted to the doors - is that a FRAG 6 kit?

Definitely not the HMMWV Frag 6 kit that there are pictures of, but since there are a number of variations on the HMMWV Frag 5 kit, it could still be a variant thereof. Looks pretty clearly designed to defeat EFPs, which was the intent of the Frag 6 kit.
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