i read in ospreys book on sf in iraq, that some ussf used british smgs that they had captured from iraqies on buggie cord on hummvies. does anyone have links to pics of this, i have tried google but nothing comes up.
thanks

not a pic link but is this what your on about
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Talk:Sterling_SMG

Sadly, Google is not always your friend.

Took this one myself:

18 bravo thats a great pic, that from a humvee? ive seen similar pdw configurations for british soecila forces jackels, cyotes and wmiks

Nope, just part of what was available to us.

dont suppose you have anymore photos of that m249/fn minimi??? or anyother standard mg in uk or us????

This is the one I carried on occasion.

thats great thanks pal

thanks for the help guys

There were some pics of Sterlings, stocks folded and hung on bungee cords, in use in A-stan in an issue of Soldier of Fortune Magazine, probably around 02-03. I have the issue at home and can give you the issue and volume numbers. Unfortunately I do not have a scanner and so cannot scan them in for you. In the article, it said they liked them because they were easy for the driver to fire one handed (no windshields on these vehicles) due to the balance of the weapon.

Unfortunately not everything you read in Soldier of Fortune is accurate. Not to say they don't do a good job of reporting what they hear, but let's face it-there's nothing funnier to some SF guys than making stuff up just to see if it makes in print.
A vehicle driver has one job - to drive. He is not a shooter, nor would we call anyone a shooter who went around shooting SMGs one handed. We let Big Army do that kind of stuff.

I find it hard to see why anybody in their right mind would ever voluntarily use a Sterling!
We were issued with them and it was a bloody awful piece of kit - muzzle climb was so bad that if you shot at a line of 20 men you could shoot the first in the foot and the last in the head! Same edict as the WW2 sten gun - a piece of pipe that fired bullets, made to the lowest possible price and specification.

Hi Gogs,

I can echo Dave's comment the SMG = the most dangerous weapon available. A poorly made badly designed weapon. Owing nothing to the safety of the operator, you could drop a loaded weapon with safety applied and it would empty the mag! Highly inaccurate and with poor stopping power it was designed to be slighty more accurate than a pistol.

Despite what I read on the Osprey book, I wouldn't hang one on a bungee, an improvised swivel mount maybe but never a bungee. As Robert mentioned a driver is there for safety of his comrades, he might wear a pistol in his chest rig on a cross draw for exceptionally tricky occasions but his job is to drive.

Regards

Brian

Robert .. The New York Fire Department uses M249's ? lol ok i know they don't but hell in some parts i think it would be a pretty good idea tho and by the look of that one in your pic its either not been used much or has been very well looked after . its a beauty mate
Dave i now what you mean .. one weapon i won't ever mess .. that stock is a nightmare to deploy fast and a engineering degree would be useful too .. if anyone tried to fire that one handed they would more than likely knock a plane down instead of a ground pounder .
Oh we all have our favs ..that thing aint one of mine .
They liked them in Star Wars tho
Phill

[quote]Hi Gogs,

I can echo Dave's comment the SMG = the most dangerous weapon available. A poorly made badly designed weapon. Owing nothing to the safety of the operator, you could drop a loaded weapon with safety applied and it would empty the mag! Highly inaccurate and with poor stopping power it was designed to be slighty more accurate than a pistol.

thnaks, i have experiance of the small metal gun as well, that why i was a bit sceptical of the osprey book, but i recently saw a you tube clip of americans using a smg on a makeshift range so it got me wondering if it was true.

Sterling ,what a nasty piece of work. I once saw a sergeant smack a kid in the face for letting rip on full auto when while we were firing single shots ( after the weapons had been cleared & laid on the ground) . The sear had worn out so that´s what it did occasionally. The kid didn´t get a free punch at the sergeant though or much of an apology. One thing I could never understand is why they bothered to put a bayonet lug on it.