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Armor/AFV: Allied - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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M26 Dragon Wagon + M26A1 Dragon Wagon
panzerserra
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Posted: Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 09:06 PM UTC
Well Gents, this is my last project:

A double construction of two (of course...) Dragon Wagons:




One M26 standard armoured cabin Dragon Wagon Tamiya (tractor only):


One M26A1 "soft" cabin, using an old Trakz resin conversion kit in Tamiya´s complete (tractor and trailer) kit
and a Bronco´s midget sub Seehund as war booty!!!



See surgeries:



...the players:


...the mess:


...wrapped things ....


...the sub:



Well...see all steps (until now...) in my blog:
http://panzerserra.blogspot.com/


The work is getting interesting!!!!!

Bumblebee
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Posted: Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 11:37 PM UTC
Oh boy, this is some serious business Love the work so far, and the submarine is a great touch... I hope you have made some extra shelf space... I'll be watching this one
HeavyArty
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Posted: Sunday, December 11, 2011 - 01:43 AM UTC
Looks really nice so far. I don't think the torpedos would be still mounted on the sub for transport though.
panzerserra
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Posted: Sunday, December 11, 2011 - 04:56 AM UTC

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Oh boy, this is some serious business Love the work so far, and the submarine is a great touch... I hope you have made some extra shelf space... I'll be watching this one



Hi, Bumblebee !!!

Thanks for the incentive !!!!

Stay tunning...more pics soon !!!
panzerserra
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Posted: Sunday, December 11, 2011 - 05:02 AM UTC

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Looks really nice so far. I don't think the torpedos would be still mounted on the sub for transport though.




Yo´re wright, Gino !!!

These submarines were transported without weapons ....

But...

In this case, the submarine was being transported to the study and exposition and not transported to military use ....it´s an "official souvenir"...
My idea is to add a few graffitis inscriptions in the torpedoes, such as: SAFE or INACTIVED

What do you think??


Thanks for the comments !!!
HeavyArty
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Posted: Sunday, December 11, 2011 - 12:38 PM UTC
That could work. It looks like the torpedos could interfere with the inner rear wheels on the trailer though. You may have to build a wooden cradle to support it on/ raise it up a bit.
panzerserra
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Posted: Sunday, December 11, 2011 - 08:23 PM UTC

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That could work. It looks like the torpedos could interfere with the inner rear wheels on the trailer though. You may have to build a wooden cradle to support it on/ raise it up a bit.



Exactly, Gino...and it was exactly what I did on Sunday!

See the pictures below: Starting the sub´s cradle:



Making the keel´s guide:


and testing this:


The cradle invades the wheels space. Cuts are needed:



And the cradle, after the wood-surgery and on the trailer (with wheels...):


We arrived at this stage: Notice in the photo that the best place for torpedoes really are in your own brackets ....


And Gino: Supported in the cradle, or the submarine nor the torpedo did not touch the wheels. The two of us we would be good engineers in WWII!!

It´s Good !!!

Cheers and all the best, Lads !!!

See you again, soon !!!

For more pics, see my blog:

http://panzerserra.blogspot.com/

HeavyArty
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Posted: Sunday, December 11, 2011 - 11:57 PM UTC
The cradle lookks good. Good job on it.
PedroA
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Posted: Monday, December 12, 2011 - 02:53 AM UTC
Nice project again. Do you sleep?
I will follow your work with interest.

Regards. Pedro.
KoSprueOne
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Posted: Monday, December 12, 2011 - 04:54 AM UTC
outstanding progress on an interesting subject.




jon_a_its
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Posted: Monday, December 12, 2011 - 05:20 AM UTC

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Looks really nice so far. I don't think the torpedos would be still mounted on the sub for transport though.



second that
warreni
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Posted: Monday, December 12, 2011 - 07:42 AM UTC

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Looks really nice so far. I don't think the torpedos would be still mounted on the sub for transport though.



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I doubt very much whether they would leave the torpedoes on either. The other thing to look at is the weight of the sub. I think it may be a bit over the rating of the trailer without the torpedoes and way over with them..

I think I may be getting too picky here...
KissMeKate
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Posted: Monday, December 12, 2011 - 08:23 AM UTC
right weight. wrong weight. great project just the same. fun alternative to the typical trailer projects.
Totalize
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Posted: Monday, December 12, 2011 - 10:52 AM UTC
"The other thing to look at is the weight of the sub. I think it may be a bit over the rating of the trailer without the torpedoes and way over with them.. "

I think I may be getting too picky here...[/quote]

I agree that they would not transport this mini sub with the torpedoes still attached however, these transport vehicles could easily tow a Sherman tank which weighed in at ~34 tons. This particular Seehund displaced ~17 tons. A very easy lift for this type of vehicle.
mother
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Posted: Monday, December 12, 2011 - 12:46 PM UTC
Man this is going to look awesome once finished, those trucks look super.

Happy Modeling,
Joe
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Posted: Monday, December 12, 2011 - 02:14 PM UTC
Very creative. These are going to be show-stoppers. Please keep us posted.
airborne1
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Posted: Monday, December 12, 2011 - 11:50 PM UTC
Building the dragon wagon and the Recovery version together ,superdetailing with resin conversions is a huge task to complete .
Model workmanship like this above is inspirational modelling .

Well done Marcos on your models so far.

Michael
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 12:42 AM UTC

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The cradle lookks good. Good job on it.



Thanks, Gino !!!

The work is in progress...

panzerserra
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 12:43 AM UTC

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Nice project again. Do you sleep?
I will follow your work with interest.
Regards. Pedro.



Hola, Pedro !!!!

Thanks for the incentive....

About sleep...eheheheheh...I´m Zoombie...

Feliz Navidad !!!!

panzerserra
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 12:44 AM UTC

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outstanding progress on an interesting subject.



Thanks, Ko...

All the best !!!

panzerserra
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 12:51 AM UTC

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Looks really nice so far. I don't think the torpedos would be still mounted on the sub for transport though.


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As I said, my idea is that this project would the midget submarine being captured for study or exposition...

Her torpedoes are reportedly unarmed and with the warheads inactived.

But, in my opinion, the best place for transportation of the torpedoes in this condition would be in its own brackets.



Spoils of war !!!

All the best !!!
panzerserra
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 01:15 AM UTC

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Looks really nice so far. I don't think the torpedos would be still mounted on the sub for transport though.



second that



I doubt very much whether they would leave the torpedoes on either. The other thing to look at is the weight of the sub. I think it may be a bit over the rating of the trailer without the torpedoes and way over with them..

I think I may be getting too picky here...



In fact, Warren, about torpedoes ...

About the load, the weight of Seehund was17 tons, plus two G-7 torpedoes, each weighing 1.8 tons (with active warheads). Total weight: 20.6 tons.

The M15 trailer carrying capacity was 40 tons ...
No problem in this matter !!!

Although in War-time, details such as over-loading of material are easily forgotten ...

The need to make the frog jump!!!

And here's a picture of a blatant disregard with declared load capacities:



Merry X´mas and all the best !!!
panzerserra
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 01:17 AM UTC

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right weight. wrong weight. great project just the same. fun alternative to the typical trailer projects.



Thanks, Kathy !!!!

Big hug and take care !!!
panzerserra
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 01:19 AM UTC

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"The other thing to look at is the weight of the sub. I think it may be a bit over the rating of the trailer without the torpedoes and way over with them.. "
I think I may be getting too picky here...


I agree that they would not transport this mini sub with the torpedoes still attached however, these transport vehicles could easily tow a Sherman tank which weighed in at ~34 tons. This particular Seehund displaced ~17 tons. A very easy lift for this type of vehicle.
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Indeed DaSilva....
Weight of submarine is no problem....

About torpedoes, see my opinion above !!!!


Thanks for following ... new stages, soon !!!!
panzerserra
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 01:20 AM UTC

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Man this is going to look awesome once finished, those trucks look super.

Happy Modeling,
Joe



Obrigado, Joe !!!

All the best and plastic-hugs !!!

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