PE35431 Modern British Defender XD "Wolf" W.M.I.K(For hobby boss 82446)
PEA264 Modern Defender XD 'Wolf' W.M.I.K Weighted Road Wheels(G90)Type.1 (hobby boss kit)
Modern Land Rover Weighted Road Wheels Type.2(For hobby boss)
TE043 FERN(PATTEN1)
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VM--- Modern British Defender XD "Wolf" W.M.I
VoyagerModel
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Posted: Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 05:38 PM UTC
Posted: Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 07:55 PM UTC
Thank you for posting the images, but it is shame that you have missed the shortcomings in the kit. There are a number of nice items in this set but there a number of errors still present, and a number that have been reinforced with the errors present. in the etch.
Regards
Brian
Regards
Brian
Sudzonic
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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 - 12:12 AM UTC
I have this set on order I will do a review when it arrives.
Andrij
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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 - 12:40 PM UTC
Nice wheels! But not yours!
http://blog.naver.com/tech61?Redirect=Log&logNo=90131148141&from=section
http://blog.naver.com/tech61?Redirect=Log&logNo=90131148141&from=section
dropshot
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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 - 12:53 PM UTC
Andrij I don´t understand Korean but a picture paints a thousand words.
Maki
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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 - 06:56 PM UTC
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Nice wheels! But not yours!
Thanks for the link Andrij! This is obviously a pirated product... there are way too many identical details on the tires to be just a misunderstanding. It is good to see DEF Models tackle this problem themselves, so it gets more "official" this way.
A big minus in my book for Voyager.
Mario
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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 - 07:21 PM UTC
BOOO
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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 - 08:38 PM UTC
Not the first time either. I reviewed Voyagers super swamper wheels on here a while back, and while I didn't say so in the review because I didn't feel it was appropriate, the wheels where a match to Pro Art Models wheels. Everything, right down to subtle casting blemishes was identical on the Voyager wheels, too much to be a coincidence. It really is disgusting that companies in behave in this way. I shall seriously consider buying Voyager products in the future.
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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 - 09:10 PM UTC
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I shall seriously consider buying Voyager products in the future.
Ditto. I wonder if anyone from Voyager will respond to this.
Mario
Smokeyr67
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Posted: Friday, December 16, 2011 - 10:00 PM UTC
In a perfect modelling world, we would never know if on manufacturers item was copied by another - if they were perfect replicas of the full size article, they would all be precicely the same. This means that when on company is accused of copying someone elses IP, then the only way to discern this is by comparing the faults of the original. Somewhere deep inside me I find this to be rather humerous.
Copying is theft, but copying the imperfections of an imperfect copy is stupid theft.
Copying is theft, but copying the imperfections of an imperfect copy is stupid theft.
aleluya
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Posted: Saturday, December 17, 2011 - 01:56 PM UTC
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Quoted TextNice wheels! But not yours!
Thanks for the link Andrij! This is obviously a pirated product... there are way too many identical details on the tires to be just a misunderstanding. It is good to see DEF Models tackle this problem themselves, so it gets more "official" this way.
A big minus in my book for Voyager.
Mario
The producting of the wheel was send to the outside factory by the voyager...and then the tire was copied by another company.....so....we know what happened...someone stoled the design .. I already contacted with VM.Then get this answer
MINIARM
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Posted: Sunday, December 18, 2011 - 10:01 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted TextNice wheels! But not yours!
Thanks for the link Andrij! This is obviously a pirated product... there are way too many identical details on the tires to be just a misunderstanding. It is good to see DEF Models tackle this problem themselves, so it gets more "official" this way.
A big minus in my book for Voyager.
Mario
The producting of the wheel was send to the outside factory by the voyager...and then the tire was copied by another company.....so....we know what happened...someone stoled the design .. I already contacted with VM.Then get this answer
It would be desirable to receive the answer and concerning copies wheels for BTR-60 of product Miniarm
ChineseTruthTeller
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Posted: Sunday, December 18, 2011 - 03:13 PM UTC
Stunning resemblance!
By the way, remember add the Alliance Model works (china based company, yes, not American based, design in china, manufacture in china, their designer is former employee of china company Lionroar, so many of their items have striking resemblances to Lionroar previous items), E.T model (Please pay attention to their items, normally the item has no sample photos with plastic model means this item really has striking resemblances to another company’s item, only because the copy need no original plastic model to verify the design, so they even cancel the sample making to save the time. One of their shareholder is former employee of Voyager, so many items of this company have stunning resemblance to Voyager’s similar items) to the blacklist.
Indeed, they just want grab the money faster and faster from their overseas market, they really have no time to do any in-depth work to the original plastic models, so they are just fret-filler now.
By the way, remember add the Alliance Model works (china based company, yes, not American based, design in china, manufacture in china, their designer is former employee of china company Lionroar, so many of their items have striking resemblances to Lionroar previous items), E.T model (Please pay attention to their items, normally the item has no sample photos with plastic model means this item really has striking resemblances to another company’s item, only because the copy need no original plastic model to verify the design, so they even cancel the sample making to save the time. One of their shareholder is former employee of Voyager, so many items of this company have stunning resemblance to Voyager’s similar items) to the blacklist.
Indeed, they just want grab the money faster and faster from their overseas market, they really have no time to do any in-depth work to the original plastic models, so they are just fret-filler now.
aleluya
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Posted: Sunday, December 18, 2011 - 06:02 PM UTC
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Stunning resemblance!
By the way, remember add the Alliance Model works (china based company, yes, not American based, design in china, manufacture in china, their designer is former employee of china company Lionroar, so many of their items have striking resemblances to Lionroar previous items), E.T model (Please pay attention to their items, normally the item has no sample photos with plastic model means this item really has striking resemblances to another company’s item, only because the copy need no original plastic model to verify the design, so they even cancel the sample making to save the time. One of their shareholder is former employee of Voyager, so many items of this company have stunning resemblance to Voyager’s similar items) to the blacklist.
Indeed, they just want grab the money faster and faster from their overseas market, they really have no time to do any in-depth work to the original plastic models, so they are just fret-filler now.
Impressive and shocked.
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Posted: Saturday, January 03, 2015 - 08:15 PM UTC
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Stunning resemblance!
By the way, remember add the Alliance Model works (china based company, yes, not American based, design in china, manufacture in china, their designer is former employee of china company Lionroar, so many of their items have striking resemblances to Lionroar previous items), E.T model (Please pay attention to their items, normally the item has no sample photos with plastic model means this item really has striking resemblances to another company’s item, only because the copy need no original plastic model to verify the design, so they even cancel the sample making to save the time. One of their shareholder is former employee of Voyager, so many items of this company have stunning resemblance to Voyager’s similar items) to the blacklist.
Indeed, they just want grab the money faster and faster from their overseas market, they really have no time to do any in-depth work to the original plastic models, so they are just fret-filler now.
Hi. I'm Tony.
I can vouch for Alliance Model Works, they are a US company from Missouri. I have talked to their owner Izzet at two separate AMPS and IMPS nationals and I know others on and off this board with similar experiences. They also brought their 3-D print masters to the shows and offer service making master for you, with 3-D print and PE.
terminators
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Posted: Saturday, January 03, 2015 - 09:07 PM UTC
Probably good but too difficult to build. There are too much small PE parts ! It is a recurring fact in this type of sets.
Vodnik
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Posted: Saturday, January 03, 2015 - 09:45 PM UTC
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Hi. I'm Tony.
I can vouch for Alliance Model Works, they are a US company from Missouri. I have talked to their owner Izzet at two separate AMPS and IMPS nationals and I know others on and off this board with similar experiences. They also brought their 3-D print masters to the shows and offer service making master for you, with 3-D print and PE.
Ehmmm... You do realize you replied to a thread that is over three years old, don't you?...
EDIT: I just noticed that it was your first post here. Welcome to Armorama!
osfont
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Posted: Sunday, January 04, 2015 - 05:42 PM UTC
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Hi. I'm Tony.
I can vouch for Alliance Model Works, they are a US company from Missouri. I have talked to their owner Izzet at two separate AMPS and IMPS nationals and I know others on and off this board with similar experiences. They also brought their 3-D print masters to the shows and offer service making master for you, with 3-D print and PE.
Ehmmm... You do realize you replied to a thread that is over three years old, don't you?...
EDIT: I just noticed that it was your first post here. Welcome to Armorama!
Yes, I came from link on Facebook. I'm not a regular on armorama.com.
I emailed Alliance Model Works regarding the topic. If I obtain a response I will post it here.
Thank you for the welcome.
osfont
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Posted: Sunday, January 11, 2015 - 01:08 PM UTC
I got a reply just now. Screenshot with few things crossed out in order to comply with forum rules.