Hi all, I am looking to start a new diorama. I found this http://www.netmerchants.co.uk/product.php?xProd=16516 and thought it would be an interesting theme and build. However, it seems sorta out of place. I know that it could definitely happen in real life and probably did but is this something that would happen a lot in places like Stalingrad and Leningrad? I just don't want to make a "unlikely event" in my diorama. Thanks.
-Joe
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Rampenfest
Joined: April 28, 2011
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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 06:20 PM UTC
jjasmine
Joined: January 16, 2011
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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 06:51 PM UTC
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Hi all, I am looking to start a new diorama. I found this http://www.netmerchants.co.uk/product.php?xProd=16516 and thought it would be an interesting theme and build. However, it seems sorta out of place. I know that it could definitely happen in real life and probably did but is this something that would happen a lot in places like Stalingrad and Leningrad? I just don't want to make a "unlikely event" in my diorama. Thanks.
-Joe
I would imagine that scenes similar to this did occur but I can't speak to the frequency of such occurences or to the reality of a scene specifically like this one. That being said, I like the idea and think it would be a great diorama. I understand wanting to be historically accurate with a build but sometimes we shouldn't put so much pressure on ourselves. "Let your hair down" a bit and build something you will enjoy regardless of any other constraints.
exer
Joined: November 27, 2004
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Posted: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 - 12:13 AM UTC
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I know that it could definitely happen in real life and probably did but is this something that would happen a lot in places like Stalingrad and Leningrad? I just don't want to make a "unlikely event" in my diorama. Thanks.
-Joe
I think this could happen in any battle where there was house to house fighting.
Even if it only happened once then what's the problem with putting it in a diorama.
This is one of my favourite Masterbox sets
okdoky
Joined: April 30, 2007
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Posted: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 - 12:53 AM UTC
In the fog of war, everything is possible. Hand to hand fighting does not always start off by troops being 1000 yrds away and knowing where the opposition is.
Patrols are sent out from each side, either to recce areas of future attack, to capture for interogation, to comunicate with adjacent friendly units, to raid and disrupt, to gain advance warning of attack from the opposition.
A scene like this would be very possible, especially in the close confines of town fighting, or even rural where there is cover. Noise from battles elsewhere would make it harder to hear approching patrols and a nose to nose fire fight and close quarter battle would then ensue.
Even with the high tech battlefields of today, it is all down to the grunts on the ground grinding it out !!!!!!
Nige
Patrols are sent out from each side, either to recce areas of future attack, to capture for interogation, to comunicate with adjacent friendly units, to raid and disrupt, to gain advance warning of attack from the opposition.
A scene like this would be very possible, especially in the close confines of town fighting, or even rural where there is cover. Noise from battles elsewhere would make it harder to hear approching patrols and a nose to nose fire fight and close quarter battle would then ensue.
Even with the high tech battlefields of today, it is all down to the grunts on the ground grinding it out !!!!!!
Nige
Magpie
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Posted: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 - 02:07 AM UTC
I reckon with Dio's it is not so much about how plausible the scene in the Dio is it is about the feeling the scene generates in the viewer.
OK is may or may not have happened that two groups of armed men were separated by only a wall (and I actually believe it is very likely to have happened) but if modelling the scene as depicted gives the viewer a sense of mortal enemies locked in a desperate struggle in the close confines of a city then the Dio is 100% valid in my book.
OK is may or may not have happened that two groups of armed men were separated by only a wall (and I actually believe it is very likely to have happened) but if modelling the scene as depicted gives the viewer a sense of mortal enemies locked in a desperate struggle in the close confines of a city then the Dio is 100% valid in my book.
ComaBlack
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Posted: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 - 02:30 AM UTC
This scene is very possible, and likely happened many times in Stalingrad. Often Russian and German troops would be occupying the same building and living as well as fighting at close quarters.
With well over a million soldiers in a single city, the chances of two small patrols meeting like this is very good in my opinion. Especially in the ruinous remains of Stalingrad or perhaps Berlin.
On another note, that figure cocking his Kar98k is very interesting! A nice set for sure.
With well over a million soldiers in a single city, the chances of two small patrols meeting like this is very good in my opinion. Especially in the ruinous remains of Stalingrad or perhaps Berlin.
On another note, that figure cocking his Kar98k is very interesting! A nice set for sure.
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 - 02:39 AM UTC
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This scene is very possible, and likely happened many times in Stalingrad. Often Russian and German troops would be occupying the same building and living as well as fighting at close quarters.
With well over a million soldiers in a single city, the chances of two small patrols meeting like this is very good in my opinion. Especially in the ruinous remains of Stalingrad or perhaps Berlin.
On another note, that figure cocking his Kar98k is very interesting! A nice set for sure.
I agree
I've read that during the Stalingrad battle German and Russian soldiers often were incredibly close each other
I've also read that sometime German occupied the upper floors of a building, while Russians were in the lower floors (..or the opposite)
Rampenfest
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Posted: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 - 05:26 PM UTC
Thank you very much for your input guys. I will put this on my summer build list. Thanks
-Joe
-Joe
dioman13
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Posted: Thursday, December 22, 2011 - 07:51 AM UTC
I would say yes, most deffinetly. There is an account on D-day of U.S. paratroopers on one side of a stone wall and Germans on the other. The paras came out on top of this incident by tossing grenades over the wall on top of the Germans. And after reading Stalingrade, the 900 days, it is conciveable that this happened many times within the ruins. In blasted out cities, you can be on top of each other before you know it.
trooper82
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Posted: Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 12:56 PM UTC
"There is an account on D-day of U.S. paratroopers on one side of a stone wall and Germans on the other. " This scenario was incorporated into the film
The Longest Day Along with many other incidents and facts to make the film as genuine as possible
Paul
The Longest Day Along with many other incidents and facts to make the film as genuine as possible
Paul
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