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Need help to identify soviet tanks
Jimmy812
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 - 01:57 PM UTC
Hallo,

i found on the internet pictures of two interesting soviet vehicles. But i couldn't find out their exact designation. And now after years of silent reading in this forum i step into te light and ask the question: does somone know what the names of the vehicles are?





I know a bit waht these pictures show. on the first it's a variant of an brdm-2 but with at least one additional window and its not clear if it has an turret or not. The red strip? maybe military police? The second picture: A variant of an btr-70 in afghanistan with an differnt turret. This time it's deffinetly from the military police. i hope somone can help me or just liks the pictures.

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Posted: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 - 03:45 AM UTC
I think that BRDM-2 is a PPM version, a firefighting vehicle, hence the yellow hue and red line on the side:



Both very interesting pictures. The turret on the BTR-70 looks normal to me, perhaps just the angle of the photo makes it look strange? They have mounted a search-light on it but that is all I can see that differs from a regular 70.
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Posted: Saturday, December 31, 2011 - 11:07 AM UTC
The Btr 70 looks to have an earlier turret design, it does seem smaller
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Posted: Sunday, January 01, 2012 - 01:16 AM UTC
Hi Jochen,
it looks like the btr-70 may be a btr-70 MEP , which according to Darlington Productions "Soviet/Russian armor and artillery design practices" was modified with a TKB-0149 turret that featured a new roof hatch and a day/night sight along with a PKT 7.62 machine gun in place of the standard KPVT. Apparently it was designed as an escort vehicle or mobile command post.

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Posted: Sunday, January 01, 2012 - 02:40 AM UTC
[quote]I think that BRDM-2 is a PPM version, a firefighting vehicle, hence the yellow hue and red line on the side:


I`ve seen the odd picture of this line up before, and was wondering if you have any more as i would like to get hold of some pictures of the T64 and T72 based vehicles in the line up.
The T64 has an odd looking devise on the glacis and interesting superstructure, whilst the T72 has what looks like a `calliope` where the turret should be.

Thanks

Malcolm
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Posted: Sunday, January 01, 2012 - 05:32 AM UTC
This is the line up from the other side I think:



As far as I know there is no fire fighting vehicle based on the T-72 chassis although I could easily be wrong and I'd love to see what they would do/have done to make a firefighting tank from the T-72 as variants based on other tanks are pretty cool.
The boxy vehicle in the foreground of the picture above is a GPM-54M based on the T-55 and the calliope looking thing beside it appears to be an Impuls 2M which is based on the T-62. The T-64 fire fighting variant is called the GPM-64:



There are some interesting pictures here:

http://englishrussia.com/2010/08/06/fire-fighting-tanks-of-the-ussr/

(The last picture in that link appears to be a Leopard 1, I'm not sure why that is in there!)

Apologies for hi-jacking your thread a bit Jochen !
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Posted: Sunday, January 01, 2012 - 06:57 AM UTC
The BRDM is in the hands of Chechen separatists (the Flag is Chechen), probably from the first Chechen war. Theres a whole series of photos similar to this showing Chechen rebel vehicles and tanks in Grozny prior to and and following the new years eve assault. I think most of the vehicles are from pre-war stocks Chechen army division stocks, the Russians seemed to hand them a lot of equipment when they were still 'friends'.
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 06:47 PM UTC

Quoted Text

This is the line up from the other side I think:



As far as I know there is no fire fighting vehicle based on the T-72 chassis although I could easily be wrong and I'd love to see what they would do/have done to make a firefighting tank from the T-72 as variants based on other tanks are pretty cool.
The boxy vehicle in the foreground of the picture above is a GPM-54M based on the T-55 and the calliope looking thing beside it appears to be an Impuls 2M which is based on the T-62. The T-64 fire fighting variant is called the GPM-64:



There are some interesting pictures here:

http://englishrussia.com/2010/08/06/fire-fighting-tanks-of-the-ussr/

(The last picture in that link appears to be a Leopard 1, I'm not sure why that is in there!)

Apologies for hi-jacking your thread a bit Jochen !


Here an exhaustive GPM-64 walkaround

http://photo.qip.ru/users/coast70/150587000/162789852/#mainImageLink


here the btr 60 p

http://www.fotovalkirumodelism.com/page.php?page=36


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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 11:56 AM UTC
Hi,

thanks for the very helpful answers.

@ Karl N Hoy I've never heard from this Brdm version before. The explanation that it's an firefigthing vehicle seems very logic. Do you know the meanig of the abbreviation ppm?

@ Sean mcandrews thanks for your answer, i already thaugh i will never find out what this vehicle is called and now even the deignation of the turret. i found better photos of this vehicle on this site http://278-odkbr.ru. There are also photos of the btr-70 from the bison declas "soviet tanks in afghanistan" decals and other very interesting photos of soviet vehicles in afghanitan some are even color photos.
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Posted: Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 04:45 AM UTC
Jimmy- I'm not entirely sure as to the meaning of the PPM abbreviation from reading about the GPM-54 I reckon it probably means something along the lines of 'multi-purpose fire truck' or 'military fire truck'- something along those lines. Some of the Russian speaking guys on armorama would probably have a better idea.

Some other (unfortunately quite small) pictures I found:







Mauro- thanks for those pictures of the GPM-64 and the BTR-60 fire truck- the red and white scheme would sure be fun to do on the Trumpy kit!


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