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poibrudda6
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2012 - 07:07 PM UTC
Aloha everyone!!!

Does anyone know if the Strykers based in Europe use the slat armor system? Any pics?

Thank you in advance!!!
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2012 - 08:07 PM UTC
Heh Kurt !

That would be a NO .... a least in Germany ..... German traffic regulation (for Roads + Train) etc.
Here is link which might be of interest for Europe/Germany based STRYKER's

http://www.perfect-scale.de/DVD/Stryker-in-Germany-Part-1.html?XTCsid=7124cb2dd3d3ee790378b27aaf9a0214

Cheers
Christopher
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2012 - 08:59 PM UTC
Strykers in Europe :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/heraldpost/sets/72157607214532089/with/2845573418/

http://www.flickr.com/search/groups/?q=stryker&m=pool&w=1195055%40N21

HTH

Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 04:29 AM UTC
Thank you much Christopher, Frenchy!! I don't mean to belabor this but I guess what I'm curious about is the slat armor. I know things are mission specific but in combat scenarios in Europe would the Strykers use it? I've know in Iraq all the Strykers I've seen had slat armor but then in Afghanistan I've seen both. Any clues?
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Posted: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 05:32 AM UTC

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Thank you much Christopher, Frenchy!! I don't mean to belabor this but I guess what I'm curious about is the slat armor. I know things are mission specific but in combat scenarios in Europe would the Strykers use it? I've know in Iraq all the Strykers I've seen had slat armor but then in Afghanistan I've seen both. Any clues?


Troops on exercise in Germany do not need slat armour or other attachments (except commo and antennas) to accomplish their training ... in Hohenfels for example the add-on advantages would be reflected in the simulator-software.
You are correct about A-Stan, I got the impression that the initially sent vehicles (Stryker) had them but the risk assessment there (for MRAPs) is not as "urban" as it was in Iraq. But the Canadians and the Brits still use slat-armour quite a lot from what I saw. Even ANA just uses armoured HMMWV's or plain pick-up's.

Cheers
Christopher
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Posted: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 06:00 AM UTC

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Quoted Text

Thank you much Christopher, Frenchy!! I don't mean to belabor this but I guess what I'm curious about is the slat armor. I know things are mission specific but in combat scenarios in Europe would the Strykers use it? I've know in Iraq all the Strykers I've seen had slat armor but then in Afghanistan I've seen both. Any clues?


Troops on exercise in Germany do not need slat armour or other attachments (except commo and antennas) to accomplish their training ... in Hohenfels for example the add-on advantages would be reflected in the simulator-software.
You are correct about A-Stan, I got the impression that the initially sent vehicles (Stryker) had them but the risk assessment there (for MRAPs) is not as "urban" as it was in Iraq. But the Canadians and the Brits still use slat-armour quite a lot from what I saw. Even ANA just uses armoured HMMWV's or plain pick-up's.

Cheers
Christopher


Exactly, train as you fight does have limits. Slat armor on a Stryker is very heavy and places undue strain on the base vehicle which causes more maintenance services and faster parts failure. It offers virtually no benefit in a training environment while having numerous down sides.

To your question of it being used in combat in Europe, there are many variables. The first being, what type of operation is it? Are they full spectrum combat operations? How much time did they have to prepare? If they are getting sent right out the gate for a hasty defense, I doubt it as there wouldn't be time to up armor them at the depots. The next question is, do the depots in Europe even have slat armor or is that all at the depots in Kuwait and Afghanistan?

I highly doubt they would be utilized unless it's for a low intensity conflict/peace keeping operation where your primary threat are RPG's vs tank rounds/ATGM's, the benefit of slat armor just isn't there vs the limitations it imposes on mobility and camouflage.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 06:16 AM UTC
Our CDN troops had slat on the Leo 2A6M and 2A4M, and some of the route clearing vehicles like the Buffalo, as well as the various M113 variants we had there, but none of the LAVIIIs, Coyote, Bison, or the Leopard C2 had slat armor on them in A-Stan.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 04:48 PM UTC
Thanks for everyone's input and clearing up the confusion
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