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Why a Sherman in Iraq?!?! Help!!
sniper
Joined: May 07, 2002
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 11:19 AM UTC
OK, tonight on NBC news with Tom Brokaw they were interviewing some American military official in Iraq (near Tikrit I believe) and behind him was a brand new looking M4 Sherman! It had U.S. markings and looked like it just rolled off the assembly line 60 years ago. I mean, it looked perfect.
If it was a museum display, why? Why would it be so perfect?
They may be showing this again on MSNBC tonight. Please someone find out what is going on. Do we have a new 'secret' weapon in the form of a 60 year old tank?
Steve
Tapper
Joined: July 26, 2003
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 11:39 AM UTC
You're SURE it was a Sherman? Wow, thats odd indeed! I cant think of a single reason it would be there.
Davhowell
Joined: March 10, 2003
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 11:44 AM UTC
Probally Target Pracftice.
Kencelot
Joined: December 27, 2001
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 11:47 AM UTC
Is this what you saw: ?? Or ones similar? What you saw were captured Iranian army tanks. They have quite a collection at a military base near Tikrit. Among them are also an M4A1, M50 Super Shermans, M36 and M36B1,
Pnzr-Cmdr
Joined: July 16, 2003
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 11:52 AM UTC
ITS A CONSPIRACY!!
PorkChop
Joined: September 11, 2002
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:06 PM UTC
I also saw it, it was in OD with US markings.....
tazz
Joined: July 21, 2002
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:08 PM UTC
wow thats cool i have to keep an eye out for this.
if they used the shermans they still would have kicked them russia made iraqis tanks butt
if they used the shermans they still would have kicked them russia made iraqis tanks butt
TreadHead
Joined: January 12, 2002
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:20 PM UTC
Great googly moogly!!!! (just love that phrase #:-) )
Seriously tho, a Sherman?, In OD?, In US markings!?!?!
Somebody has got to confirm this sighting!!!!! ............don't you think?
I mean, porkchop saw it too.
Tread.
Seriously tho, a Sherman?, In OD?, In US markings!?!?!
Somebody has got to confirm this sighting!!!!! ............don't you think?
I mean, porkchop saw it too.
Tread.
PorkChop
Joined: September 11, 2002
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:23 PM UTC
Well it was static, a Col. Hickey was talkng in front of it, then the reporter too.... standby and I'll see if I can get an Image of it
PorkChop
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:29 PM UTC
Here it is boys.....
Money says it was found in a museum painted in desert tan and good old American know-how converted that tan to OD
Money says it was found in a museum painted in desert tan and good old American know-how converted that tan to OD
raycel
Joined: June 22, 2003
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:43 PM UTC
maybe bahgdad bob is showing the news guys around! 
sniper
Joined: May 07, 2002
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 01:19 PM UTC
Yeah that's it. It's no converted Sherman like I have seen for myself at Latrun. Why would the Iraqis have vintage WWII armor in their museum? I don't think Saddam would go out of his way to aquire it.
If it was painted in desert colors before, what GI's over there have enough time on their hands to be restoring 60 year old armor? If you see it on TV it looks perfect.
Got to be some reason it's there. Has to be some new weapon in the arsenal! Maybe it was brought there to take out Iraqi Panthers and Tigers...
Steve
TankCarl
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 01:37 PM UTC
I saw it too.I figure it was at a museum or something.
But as Wars drag on,commanders start doing goofy things.Maybe some REMF decided it would be cute to commandeer.And use as a BN commander's stafff vehicle.
But as Wars drag on,commanders start doing goofy things.Maybe some REMF decided it would be cute to commandeer.And use as a BN commander's stafff vehicle.
jarhead
Joined: April 20, 2003
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 01:59 PM UTC
it was a Sherman in OD and a white star on the side. It did look brand new. Jarhead [i]
[i]TreadHead
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 02:28 PM UTC
Howdy all,
Many thx PorkChop for the image!!!........rreally! I was beginning to think we all just WANTED to see a Sherman in Iraq.
Now, just to throw some more 'road apples' on the fire......news reporter's don't just randomly set up a shot in any old location (especially when they have the time), no, they pick their spots and their backgrounds.....believe me. So, the background (i.e., the Sherman), was used for a purpose.....now, what purpose.......you guess.
Tread.
Many thx PorkChop for the image!!!........rreally! I was beginning to think we all just WANTED to see a Sherman in Iraq.
Now, just to throw some more 'road apples' on the fire......news reporter's don't just randomly set up a shot in any old location (especially when they have the time), no, they pick their spots and their backgrounds.....believe me. So, the background (i.e., the Sherman), was used for a purpose.....now, what purpose.......you guess.
Tread.
TreadHead
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 02:33 PM UTC
..........sorry, follow up point.
Does anyone believe for a minute, the idea that Saddam would tolerate an already established image of American victory and firepower in ANY of his museum's or anything else for that matter!?!?!
.............really?
Tread.
Does anyone believe for a minute, the idea that Saddam would tolerate an already established image of American victory and firepower in ANY of his museum's or anything else for that matter!?!?!
.............really?
Tread.
sniper
Joined: May 07, 2002
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 03:04 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Does anyone believe for a minute, the idea that Saddam would tolerate an already established image of American victory and firepower in ANY of his museum's or anything else for that matter!?!?!
.............really?
Exactly my point. Why would this be there looking so NEW?
Steve
PorkChop
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2003 - 04:24 PM UTC
Tread:
believe it or not I have more than 48 hours of war coverage from NBC on tape, bascially to look back on years down the orad to see how this war was reported... your point crossed my mind as well. As did the thought when I watched this tonight: "I wonder how long till someone brings this up on The Site."
believe it or not I have more than 48 hours of war coverage from NBC on tape, bascially to look back on years down the orad to see how this war was reported... your point crossed my mind as well. As did the thought when I watched this tonight: "I wonder how long till someone brings this up on The Site."
chip250
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 12:26 AM UTC
Maybe some high ranking official is using it as a staff car, after they fixed it up. Who knows, I am tempted to go over there myself and find out. I would get a good tan to!
~Chip :-)
~Chip :-)
sphyrna
Joined: September 24, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 12:52 AM UTC
Think of the diorama possibilities!!
Now I have no excuse not to get the new DML Marine Abrams- and another Tamiya Sherman....
The kit pile grows
Peter
Now I have no excuse not to get the new DML Marine Abrams- and another Tamiya Sherman....
The kit pile grows
Peter
TreadHead
Joined: January 12, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 01:42 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Tread:
believe it or not I have more than 48 hours of war coverage from NBC on tape,
Wow Porkchop, impressive. AND you obviously have the ability to vidcap off those images, hmmmmmmmmmmm, do you have video from the 'opening bell' , you know, when they breached the berm? If so, do you remember when all those armoured vehicles were just rolling on by, loaded down with stowage and such? I think it would make for great reference pics for those of us (me included) building OIF vehicles! In fact priceless.
And, if no one else is much interested at the moment, I would be extremely greatful to you if you could Email me some M1A1 shots off Forum.
As I think I've already stated in other threads, I'm doing a build-up for a modeling show the middle of next month and those pics would be a great help. :-)
Thx,
Tread.
animal
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 04:48 AM UTC
If yopu look back at the Iranian hostage situation I think back in the 70's Iraq was an allie of the US.
TreadHead
Joined: January 12, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 01:31 PM UTC
...indeed it was animal, in fact,..........no, I better not say it. Instead, I'll phrase it in the form of a question.....Who do you think taught and fueled the 'core' members of the Al Qaeda?
believe me, a painful answer.
Tread.
believe me, a painful answer.
Tread.
shootER5
Joined: March 05, 2003
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 01:56 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Now, just to throw some more 'road apples' on the fire......news reporter's don't just randomly set up a shot in any old location (especially when they have the time), no, they pick their spots and their backgrounds.....believe me. So, the background (i.e., the Sherman), was used for a purpose.....now, what purpose.......you guess.
Believe me...when I say that if the tank was purposely used as the backdrop for the interview, the news crew probably did so because they thought it was a modern, front-line vehicle!
I've worked in teevee news for more than fifteen years and the ignorance of 99.9% of journalists when it comes to military matters is staggering.
sniper
Joined: May 07, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 02:23 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I've worked in teevee news for more than fifteen years and the ignorance of 99.9% of journalists when it comes to military matters is staggering.
Think that would be higher or lower than the 'general' public. People don't do much homework, do they.
But, I sure hope that even the lamest camera guy in Iraq would know the difference between modern weapons and an antique!
Still hasn't answered the why it's there question though. This is a weird one to me.
Steve
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