Hello my friends,
I´m putting together the parts to build a Desert Shield M1IP, and I believe I have most of the details sorted out. But there are a couple of things that I´m finding difficult to ascertain from the references at hand:
- were those tanks covered with anti-slip material?
- did they had three retangular blast panels in the turret, or two large ones?
Thanks for the help,
Mees76
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Desert Shield M1IP Abrams details
Mees76
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Posted: Thursday, March 01, 2012 - 04:45 PM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, March 01, 2012 - 11:27 PM UTC
Marcio,
The M1IP had three blast panels; like the M1 tank and came from the factory without the anti-slip coating. I will add that the anti-slip could and was applied by the by the unit using the tanks. The anti-slip coating would appear in uneven coats and applied rather sloppy as apposed to the coatings on the M1A1 tanks which are rather uniform and neatly applied.
HTH
John
The M1IP had three blast panels; like the M1 tank and came from the factory without the anti-slip coating. I will add that the anti-slip could and was applied by the by the unit using the tanks. The anti-slip coating would appear in uneven coats and applied rather sloppy as apposed to the coatings on the M1A1 tanks which are rather uniform and neatly applied.
HTH
John
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Posted: Friday, March 02, 2012 - 04:22 AM UTC
Thanks for the info, John.
I understand that the blast panels were of a different pattern than those in the M1 (and the ones in Tamiya´s M1) - rectangular instead of trapezoidal (at least for a "proper" M1IP); so, a little scratchbuilding is on order.
As for the coating, I´ll use the factory standard as a guide and apply it in roughly the same areas.
One last question, though: it´s fairly common to see a spare roadwheel on the top of the turret, roughly where the CITV would later be installed; how would this wheel be secured (a welded post, a makeshift support, ...)?
Thanks again,
Marcio Mees
I understand that the blast panels were of a different pattern than those in the M1 (and the ones in Tamiya´s M1) - rectangular instead of trapezoidal (at least for a "proper" M1IP); so, a little scratchbuilding is on order.
As for the coating, I´ll use the factory standard as a guide and apply it in roughly the same areas.
One last question, though: it´s fairly common to see a spare roadwheel on the top of the turret, roughly where the CITV would later be installed; how would this wheel be secured (a welded post, a makeshift support, ...)?
Thanks again,
Marcio Mees
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Posted: Friday, March 02, 2012 - 04:32 AM UTC
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One last question, though: it´s fairly common to see a spare roadwheel on the top of the turret, roughly where the CITV would later be installed; how would this wheel be secured (a welded post, a makeshift support, ...)?
On the turret roof in the area that they are attached, there are 4 large bolts that secure an interior structure. One bolt is removed, reinserted through one of the roadwheel lug nut holes, and tightened down.
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Posted: Friday, March 02, 2012 - 07:23 AM UTC
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Thanks for the info, John.
I understand that the blast panels were of a different pattern than those in the M1 (and the ones in Tamiya´s M1) - rectangular instead of trapezoidal (at least for a "proper" M1IP); so, a little scratchbuilding is on order.
One last question, though: it´s fairly common to see a spare roadwheel on the top of the turret, roughly where the CITV would later be installed; how would this wheel be secured (a welded post, a makeshift support, ...)?
Thanks again,
Marcio Mees
Marcio,
Send me a PM with your e-mail address and I can provide the dimensions of the blast panels.
Keep in mind that the IP turrets did not have the CITV mount on the top of the turret. The roadwheels were secured to the top of the turret using one of the four bolts that are forward of the Loader's hatch. Those four bolts are the attachment point (the second is in front of the gunner's sight and the third is behingd the TC & Loader's hatches) for the factory jig used while the turret was being welded together. The info that Gino posted is correct for a M1A1 turret.
John
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Posted: Friday, March 02, 2012 - 01:06 PM UTC
Folks,
Thanks for the information about the spare roadwheel securing method. I believe I never saw this information posted anywhere.
So... if I use a Tamiya´s M1A2 turret, at least 50% of the CITV hole (or the area where it used to be) will be covered by the wheel.
Thanks for the information about the spare roadwheel securing method. I believe I never saw this information posted anywhere.
So... if I use a Tamiya´s M1A2 turret, at least 50% of the CITV hole (or the area where it used to be) will be covered by the wheel.
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Posted: Friday, March 02, 2012 - 01:22 PM UTC
Marcio,
I used a Tamiya M1A1 turret for my IP and depending on which bolt used, I would guess that the roadwheel could cover about 50% of the area where the CITV mount would have been. Make sure that you use the mantlet from the M1A2 kit, the gunner's sight from a Tamiya M1A1 kit (or get one of the early M1A1 kits for the needed parts and save your A2 kit).
John
I used a Tamiya M1A1 turret for my IP and depending on which bolt used, I would guess that the roadwheel could cover about 50% of the area where the CITV mount would have been. Make sure that you use the mantlet from the M1A2 kit, the gunner's sight from a Tamiya M1A1 kit (or get one of the early M1A1 kits for the needed parts and save your A2 kit).
John
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Posted: Saturday, March 03, 2012 - 02:14 PM UTC
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The info that Gino posted is correct for a M1A1 turret.
John, we are talking about the same thing. I was refering to the 4 bolts, not the bolts on the CITV hole cover plate.
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Posted: Saturday, March 03, 2012 - 11:10 PM UTC
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Quoted TextThe info that Gino posted is correct for a M1A1 turret.
John, we are talking about the same thing. I was refering to the 4 bolts, not the bolts on the CITV hole cover plate.
My mistake...
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Posted: Monday, March 12, 2012 - 01:02 PM UTC
We always hung them with a center guide on a grab rail or the back of the bustle rack.
They area on the turret you describe was prime real estate for sleeping
They area on the turret you describe was prime real estate for sleeping
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