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T-34/76 1942 with wooden armor upgrade.
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Posted: Thursday, April 05, 2012 - 01:21 PM UTC
Hi all I'm just about to start a Tamiya t-34/76 1942 kit with a neograde wooden armor kit. Since the marking is going to be of a collective farm one I tought that the very unique wood armor would be really narative nad would render a nice folk tale touch.





What do you all think of it?

Phil.
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Posted: Thursday, April 05, 2012 - 01:43 PM UTC
Hi Phil,

That is a very interesting subject. Im not familiar with that type armor arangement. This will be a cool and different beast altogether. Looking forward to this build man! Good luck and happy modeling.

Gary
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Posted: Thursday, April 05, 2012 - 01:43 PM UTC
Hi, Phil!

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Since the marking is going to be of a collective farm one I tought that the very unique wood armor would be really narative nad would render a nice folk tale touch.


Seems like a very strange assumption. Does this mean if money for the tank were donated by some lumberjack union it would look like that?

But anyhow, good luck with the project!
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Posted: Thursday, April 05, 2012 - 02:34 PM UTC
Hhaha! Wow, this is a keeper Alex. where did you get that one? In fact they where donating money to the mother land and their name was given to the tanks.

@ Gary Thanks man. I'll give it my best. Hope I can give it a unique look.

Phil.
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Posted: Thursday, April 05, 2012 - 03:29 PM UTC

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... where did you get that one?


I have whole "collection" of tanks like that - WWI included.

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In fact they where donating money to the mother land and their name was given to the tanks.


Yes, I am well aware like that. But I am not sure how much you care to put your slogan on the right tank. Not to mention that wooden armor. Do you have a photo reference?
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Posted: Friday, April 06, 2012 - 01:06 AM UTC
I haven't seen any photo evidence of this beeing real. It is more of a lirycal build on battelfield resourcefulness. This is NOT a replication of something that was but something that might had happened. I've busted my ass for historical reference on the Flak Panther (not much infos on this one I tell you). This one is more of a what if.

Phil.


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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 03:25 AM UTC
Now there is an intersting question: Why only 3 steel wheels in the tam kit? Is there suppose to be 6? Well that is strange. How am I suppose to use them?

Phil.
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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 04:32 AM UTC

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Now there is an intersting question: Why only 3 steel wheels in the tam kit? Is there suppose to be 6? Well that is strange. How am I suppose to use them?

Phil.



It was quite common for t-34's to have mixed wheel types due to rubber shortages and supplie shortages of matching wheel types.

paul
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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 04:34 AM UTC

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Hi, Phil!

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Since the marking is going to be of a collective farm one I tought that the very unique wood armor would be really narative nad would render a nice folk tale touch.


Seems like a very strange assumption. Does this mean if money for the tank were donated by some lumberjack union it would look like that?

But anyhow, good luck with the project!
Alex



this one I think is a mock up training tank. Possibly with a small truck underneath.

paul
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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 05:09 AM UTC

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Now there is an intersting question: Why only 3 steel wheels in the tam kit? Is there suppose to be 6? Well that is strange. How am I suppose to use them?

Phil.



It was quite common for t-34's to have mixed wheel types due to rubber shortages and supplie shortages of matching wheel types.

paul


Thanks Paul,
I was asuming that was the case, but I did not find picture of any mix and match wheels except the usual 3 steel and 2 rubber.
So it will be a repair as it break, mix and match wheels. I do like the idea.

Phil
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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 12:24 PM UTC

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I was asuming that was the case, but I did not find picture of any mix and match wheels except the usual 3 steel and 2 rubber.


Because there was no mix and match, unless a wheel has to be replaced in a field and nothing else was available (there are images of T-34 with Panther wheels too). 3 steel and two rubber was the standard wheel set due to ribber limit (as mentioned above), and wheels with rubber tires was more complicated to manufacture. At some point there was also such set as the only front wheel - rubber tire, the rest - all steel.
It could vary on manufacturer (for example, Stalingrad factory made all steel wheels).

Eventually, they went to all wheels with rubber tires since the metal ones caused too much wear to the tank.
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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 12:41 PM UTC
Just for a visual reference. You can see hulls during the production. Front and rear - rubber. 3 in the middle - steel:


Two tanks from april of 1943. First - UZTM. All wheels with rubber tires. Second - factory #183. 2 steel, 3 rubber.




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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 12:56 PM UTC
Nice Pics Alex!

Hey Phil! When is the next update bro?

Gary
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 02:45 AM UTC
Here is an update, I've used the upgraded armor on the front glacis because the neograde kit is somewhat difficult to fit and the extra armor fills the gap.

Alex, thanks for the pics, they are really helpfull. It is always great to have constructive feedback, like youre giving me.

Gary, my man! There wil be a small gap in the build photos, because the camera went up north with Maude and Karl( they bringed the two dogs with them to!) So except for this pic I took before they left yesterday i'll have none till monday



The wheels are not glued, I was hopping for some insight... Alex gaved me just that hehe. Today I think I can close the build and start some scratch to tweek accuracy on the Tam kit. Any toughts?

Phil.
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 07:09 AM UTC

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Here is an update, I've used the upgraded armor on the front glacis because the neograde kit is somewhat difficult to fit and the extra armor fills the gap.



Hey Phil, whereas the added glacis plate armor Tamiya includes in the kit looks cool it really isn't appropriate to the tank.
As it turns out, that pattern of plate was used only by Krasnoye Sormovo, Factory 112 but the kit is based on a T-34 made by UTZ, Factory 183 and there are more than a few differences between those two factory's tanks not the least of which is how the hull was constructed.





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The wheels are not glued, I was hopping for some insight... Alex gaved me just that hehe. Today I think I can close the build and start some scratch to tweek accuracy on the Tam kit. Any toughts?

Phil.



Other than that extra armor one small thing you can do to accurize your model is to remove those two towing loops on the bow fillet. They were actually added by the staff at Aberdeen Proving Grounds during the war when the transmission failed on the T-34 that had been provided to them by the Soviet Union for testing.
Tamiya based their kit off of APG's example and dutifully copied those nonstandard parts.

HTH.

Mark
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 07:45 AM UTC
Thanks Mark, I'll get rid of them. They are actually interfering with the wooden "glacis" I've bought (not that this wodden thing is any accurate!).

Phil.
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 12:26 PM UTC
Hey Phil,

Coming along nicely. Man ill drive up there and you can use my camera. Whatya say Bro? If i leave now ill be there In 24hrs. Looking forward to your next update man.

Gary
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 12:42 PM UTC

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Hey Phil,

Coming along nicely. Man ill drive up there and you can use my camera. Whatya say Bro? If i leave now ill be there In 24hrs. Looking forward to your next update man.

Gary



Hahaha! I'll be at work when you arrive, there is a cold one in the fridge! Next update tomorow night, with pics!

Phil.
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Posted: Monday, April 09, 2012 - 01:22 AM UTC
I'll get the camera back this evening, but in the mean time here are some refference pics that I've used to scratch some handles and handrails. I've also decided not to put the armor on the back portion of the t-34 since I wanted the fuel tanks.





Any toughts?
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Posted: Monday, April 09, 2012 - 06:35 AM UTC
The tank in those photos is, again, Factory 112.
Look closely at the front and rear hull and you'll see a number of differences between it and your kit.
In addition the turret is slightly different than the Factory 183 type and it's fitted with the later armored cover for the gun sight.
Of course, it wouldn't be impossible to modify the kit to match the photo if you want to do some extra work.

Mark
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Posted: Monday, April 09, 2012 - 09:33 AM UTC
Dang! got excited again! I don't know why I get creative crazy on this one... must bee all the wood. Copy that Mark. I'll get some homework done before going bonkers again.
Thx Mark seems you got my six there!


Phil
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Posted: Monday, April 09, 2012 - 12:33 PM UTC
Here is where I'm at now. but i need to find solid info on those angular fuel tanks. Is it proper to use them on that t-34 or none at all would be accurate. I tried to get rid of the welded armor, but it is not going to move...Seems I got to get along with it. I won't be using the rear logs since I can't imagin no means of fixations.







Mark, any pointer? I'm not sure about my handrail...they look pretty common from late 1941 but... I must admit my knowledge of russian armor is terrible, in fact it is my first and I have no proper refferences aside the net.
Gary, bro. I need some help on this one hehe.
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Posted: Monday, April 09, 2012 - 02:56 PM UTC
Hey Phil,

Man im out of my element on russian stuff. Im in the learing curve myself! But if there is some way i can help, you know i got your back brother! Im really curious about this project of your. I hope someone can set you straight on the ins and outs of the T-34/76. Good luck man!

Gary
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Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - 05:07 AM UTC
Hi, Phil
Judging by the turret, your tank (model) was produced before march 1942, because since March 1 1942 they were produced without the rear hatch.
But the handrails on the turret appear closer to the summer of 1942. The additional armor on the front - yearly 1942.
Again all that is for the factory #112 only. Handrails on the turret like that - as far as I know, only #112.
If you are just building for the looks of it I see no sense to suffer for historical accuracy. Too much mismatch to correct.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - 12:38 PM UTC
So if all that is correct, witch i'm pretty sure, this tamiya kit is full of discrepancys, i was going with their second half of 1942 build on the plan... this is poop...
HAAAaaa Well, it looks that this one is going to be a "What if?". Sorry about that guys. Hope you'll still enjoy the build.

Phil

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