M4 Sherman with T26 Pershing turret
Goias, Brazil
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Posted: Thursday, April 05, 2012 - 10:07 PM UTC
I started this project earlier this week...
font:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T26_turret_on_M4_chassis.jpg
To do this, I chose these players:
The awesome upper hull:
..and the kit is in this stage:
See all the photos in my Bunker:
http://panzerserra.blogspot.com.br/...but I have doubts about the numbering of the vehicle.
Could anyone help me?
Any guesses?
TIA...
Marcos Serra (Panzerserra)
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Posted: Thursday, April 05, 2012 - 11:09 PM UTC
Hi Marcos,
Another cool project, good progress. Can't help on the numbers through.
Al
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barkingdigger
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Posted: Friday, April 06, 2012 - 01:31 AM UTC
Neat tank to model! Looks to me like the number is 30?3?60, but can't say what the missing numbers are.
Must have been very top-heavy with that big turret!
Tom
"Glue, or Glue Not - there is no Dry-Fit" - Yoda (original script from Return of the Jedi...)
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Posted: Friday, April 06, 2012 - 01:45 AM UTC
Interesting. I think the number is 30?03?60.
Ideals are peaceful. History is violent.
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Posted: Friday, April 06, 2012 - 03:17 AM UTC
You always find the most interesting subjects to put together Marcos! This one's no exception, look forward to seeing what you do with it.
Pennsylvania, United States
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Posted: Friday, April 06, 2012 - 01:58 PM UTC
All tanks had registration numbers starting with 30. This particular vehicle is 30103950, which means it was originally an M4(105).
KL
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Posted: Friday, April 06, 2012 - 09:15 PM UTC
@ Alan McNeilly, Tom Cromwell and Matt Nethery:
Thanks, Gents, for the incentive...
@ Bill Plunk:
ehehehehhe... It is my addiction: Building rare (but existed ...) things !!!
@ Kurt Laughlin:
Bingo !!!
You rocks, Kurt !!! Thanks for the tip:
The new picture, with credits, now:
Thanks, thanks a lot, Gents !!!
In this weekend, I´ll try to finish this girl !!!
Stay tunned !!!
Marcos Serra (Panzerserra)
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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 02:07 PM UTC
It's not by me, it's the US Army:
KL
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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 03:21 PM UTC
Hi Marcos,
I like this subject your going to build. very iteresting to me.
Looking forward to this build.
Gary
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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 09:12 PM UTC
Quoted Text
It's not by me, it's the US Army:
KL
But you showed us a picture ...
Thanks again ...
A big hug
Marcos Serra (Panzerserra)
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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 09:14 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi Marcos,
I like this subject your going to build. very iteresting to me. Looking forward to this build.
Gary
Thanks, Gary...new pics, soon !!!
regards
Marcos Serra (Panzerserra)
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 03:15 AM UTC
Was this hybrid actually ever used operationally? It might have worked better with an E8 suspension and tracks to reduce ground pressure. How about this for a 'what if' super tank - the Pershing turret on an M10 or M36 hull (for the sloped armor) with the E8 suspension, in the event of the non-existance of the M26, of course.
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 07:05 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Was this hybrid actually ever used operationally?
No.
Quoted Text
It might have worked better with an E8 suspension and tracks to reduce ground pressure.
That was the plan if it would have gone forward.
Quoted Text
How about this for a 'what if' super tank - the Pershing turret on an M10 or M36 hull (for the sloped armor) with the E8 suspension, in the event of the non-existance of the M26, of course.
Well, it wouldn't be that "super" because a tank destroyer's armor was thinner than a tank's. I don't think ayone would've wanted it under those conditions. It would have to be something *at least* as well protected as an M4, not less.
KL
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 09:39 AM UTC
Marcos Serra (Panzerserra)
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 11:40 AM UTC
As usual Marcos, you've done a top job on yet another unusual and interesting subject. I love it.
Indiana, United States
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 11:53 AM UTC
While a beautifully done job on this model ... I really like the subtle weathering, I am still on the fence about these prototype tanks that were basically a paper panzer or a "test vehicle". I mean, the turret from the T23 was never meant to go on a Sherman, but since that tank project was such a disappointment it was the only way to up-arm the Sherman. I think this turret is just too big and heavy for the chassis.
It'll look weird next to all your other Allied tanks!
Thanks for making it anyway!
~ Jeff
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 12:30 PM UTC
Done Already! but i just got here!
Looks great! I too like the subtle weathering. Well done Marcos.
Gary
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 01:11 PM UTC
As mentioned about the HVSS suspention, I see a great "what if" project taking any late M-4A3 hull adding HVSS and the Pershing turret to it!
Goias, Brazil
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 08:25 PM UTC
Thanks, Gents, for the incentive !!!!
All the best and I see you, soon...
Regards, from Brazil.
Marcos Serra (Panzerserra)
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Posted: Monday, April 09, 2012 - 02:07 AM UTC
[quote]
Quoted Text
Was this hybrid actually ever used operationally?
No.
Quoted Text
It might have worked better with an E8 suspension and tracks to reduce ground pressure.
That was the plan if it would have gone forward.
Quoted Text
How about this for a 'what if' super tank - the Pershing turret on an M10 or M36 hull (for the sloped armor) with the E8 suspension, in the event of the non-existance of the M26, of course.
Well, it wouldn't be that "super" because a tank destroyer's armor was thinner than a tank's. I don't think ayone would've wanted it under those conditions. It would have to be something *at least* as well protected as an M4, not less.
A quick fix for that is applique armour. The M10 was originally meant to have bolted-on armor.
barkingdigger
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Posted: Monday, April 09, 2012 - 02:56 AM UTC
Marcos, another truly stunning build! And so fast my head is spinning! You've got me searching for cheap M26 kits so I can build my own...
Congratulations on the excellent result, and thanks for sharing it with us!
Tom
"Glue, or Glue Not - there is no Dry-Fit" - Yoda (original script from Return of the Jedi...)
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Posted: Monday, April 09, 2012 - 12:05 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted Text
How about this for a 'what if' super tank - the Pershing turret on an M10 or M36 hull (for the sloped armor) with the E8 suspension, in the event of the non-existance of the M26, of course.
Well, it wouldn't be that "super" because a tank destroyer's armor was thinner than a tank's. I don't think anyone would've wanted it under those conditions. It would have to be something *at least* as well protected as an M4, not less.
A quick fix for that is applique armour. The M10 was originally meant to have bolted-on armor.
Yeah, but why? Applique armor is going to be heavier than homogeneous armor of equivalent protection, plus if you are going that route, why not increase the thickness of the already superior tank armor? Remember that there was a reason the "Jumbo" was an M4A3E2 and not an M10A1E1 . . .
KL
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Posted: Monday, April 09, 2012 - 12:19 PM UTC
Done in record time Marcos! Very nice work on your Frankensherman.
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Posted: Monday, April 09, 2012 - 06:48 PM UTC
From Wikipedia
"Description
English: The single prototype tank built by Chrysler in the summer of 1944 that had a 90mm gun T26 turret mounted on an M4A3 chassis. The T26 and M4 tanks had the same turret ring. The project was canceled by the Ordnance Dept. after it became apparent that this tank still needed to be tested, would not likely arrive in the combat theater any sooner than the T26 tank, and would most likely interfere with the T26 production effort.
Date
Source
U.S. Army Photo, from Zaloga, Steven, Armored Thunderbolt, 2008, Stackpole Books, p. 129
Author
US Army"
Goias, Brazil
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Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - 12:43 PM UTC
It´s a M4, not a M4A3...see the engine cover...Radial engine.
Wikipedia is wrong...
Marcos Serra (Panzerserra)
