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Tamiya Elefant
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 - 06:25 AM UTC
I have to agree that this is not particularly exciting; Tamiya are unlikely to portray Zimmerit so modellers will pursue the Dragon variants, and, let's face it, the venerable Italeri kit was never that bad a model. I also fear for the price: I note that here in UK the T55 Engigma retails for 50 odd quid - a considerable mark up on the £30 for the basic T55. I wonder what they'll ask for the Elefant?

No, I agree with the earlier comment, where is the flair and the truly inspirational that Tamiya did indeed display with the Char B? Whilst I secretly yearn for an injection Conqueror/M103/T10 it ain't going to happen. An Elefant? No thanks.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 - 06:47 AM UTC

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Hmmm, not sure about the "New tooling" from them on this. Sounds like a re-box to me. But then again I've been out the loop for a year.

I did check Tamiya's websites however and if this is a new kit, they ain't talking. I did find a "Coming soon" feature on the website. Kit #35316- BSA M20 Motorcycle, M.P. version, Kit #35095 Japanese Type 1, S.P. Gun.

If the Type 1 is already out, my bad, like I said, It's been awhile.

See ya in the funnies!



Oh ye of little faith! The info comes from HLJ why would they lie or why would Tamiya lie to them?

I know Tamiya sometimes repops other kits but they're upfront about it when they do.

As far as I know the Type 1 is an old kit you can get it on ebay for $16.95 and I've had the BSA M20 Motorcycle, M.P. version in my stash for a few months at least.

Tamiya are very at letting modelers know what is going on and you generally find out about new releases from vendors rather than any of Tamiya's websites
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 - 07:36 AM UTC
Interesting choice. I wonder if it will have zimmerit? It'll be hard to compete with DML since they've just announced a premium 1943 Kursk version. Personally I am more interested in the DML release of the 1/72nd LRDG truck!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 - 01:20 PM UTC

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"New Molding" why not ?? it wouldn't be the first time ,the Jagdtiger,JSU-152,M-1 Super Sherman,and Isherman are all brand new kits,so why not this one ? They have been producing 1-2 new ones a year,not a lot,but they have been new molds.



The M1 is not entirely new, the suspension and lower hull are old.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 - 01:52 PM UTC
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If this release is really all Tamiya and not just Italeri reboxing with some new sprues, I'm definitely going to get it .......





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Here is what the HLJ website says:


1/35 Elefant The 653rd Heavy Tank Destroyer Battalion
"The Elefant joins the MM kit series!

This is an ALL-NEW TOOLING of the Elefant! Tamiya based this kit on the Elefant on display at the Aberdeen Tank Museum. Tracks are injection-molded assemblies with nice sag molded in. Includes three figures. Again, this is an all-new tooling by Tamiya, not a reboxing of any other company's kit. All new, all Tamiya!"



Do you not believe them?

I'm sure they'll remember to add the 2 engine vent covers that are missing on the Aberdeen vehicle.....


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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 - 02:33 PM UTC
The Char B1 Bis, The Renault Carrier UE, The ISU-152, the BT-7 - it was becoming apparent that since Tamiya only releases two kits a year, they were making sure it was two important and market shaking kits.

Not this year.


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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 - 03:19 PM UTC

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Interesting choice. I wonder if it will have zimmerit? It'll be hard to compete with DML since they've just announced a premium 1943 Kursk version.



DML's "new" kit is a Ferdinand, not quite the same thing as the later Elefant.
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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 04:15 AM UTC
I just bought the older Italeri Elefant from Lucky Models for $22.00 + S&H for $9 and even it is a classic that I have wanted since the first issue I am not one to compare with the latest issues of models like the Elefant as I even have an original Monogram M29 Weasel that I bought on ebay and enjoyed the oldness of the kit, although I replaced the driver from an older Tamiya kit. I guess I'm nostalgic when it comes to kits rather than the modern updates.

All the best,
John @ Hobbies in a Barn on FB
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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 04:27 AM UTC
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If this release is really all Tamiya and not just Italeri reboxing with some new sprues, I'm definitely going to get it .......





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Here is what the HLJ website says:


1/35 Elefant The 653rd Heavy Tank Destroyer Battalion
"The Elefant joins the MM kit series!

This is an ALL-NEW TOOLING of the Elefant! Tamiya based this kit on the Elefant on display at the Aberdeen Tank Museum. Tracks are injection-molded assemblies with nice sag molded in. Includes three figures. Again, this is an all-new tooling by Tamiya, not a reboxing of any other company's kit. All new, all Tamiya!"



Do you not believe them?

I'm sure they'll remember to add the 2 engine vent covers that are missing on the Aberdeen vehicle.....





Hey Paul! Do you have a picture or drawing of those vent covers? I soon will be building the HOOBEN 1/16 Elefant and want to be on the look out for them.

Thanks!








~ Jeff
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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 05:17 AM UTC

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Do you have a picture or drawing of those vent covers? I soon will be building the HOOBEN 1/16 Elefant and want to be on the look out for them.



Jeff, you might want to look at these! It's the Kubinka Ferdinand, so no zimmerit or hull MG.

Tom
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Posted: Saturday, April 28, 2012 - 01:56 PM UTC
Jeff,

I forgot about the Kubinka vehicle...

But, here's a couple of scans from Achtung Panzer #6 of the detail.





The center vent cover and right one are missing on the Aberdeen vehicle.....maybe a little clearer on the book photo (bottom right). The center one is longer as well.

Hope this helps...Paul



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Posted: Sunday, April 29, 2012 - 12:34 AM UTC
This is awesome Paul! Thanks SO MUCH for going to through the trouble of scanning those for me!

They will help very much!








~ Jeff
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Posted: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 - 12:25 PM UTC
No problem Jeff....I meant to say in the photos of the actual vehicle, the top photos are the engine deck from the Ferdinand, the bottom from the Elefant conversion etc, they are different. Don't mix em up!

If you look closely, you can see the gun shield is reversed on the Ferdinand.....they turned it around for the later Elefant up grade.

Later, Paul
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Posted: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 - 04:38 PM UTC
Interesting on the gun shield.









~ Jeff
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 09:04 AM UTC
I see some webstores now have updated artwork from Tamiya. Apparently it also comes with three half figures, so not too sure what the interior will be like...
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Posted: Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 02:35 PM UTC
Have seen a picture of the box art for the Tamiya Elephant, looks impressive.. that's the good news...The elephant tank is my favorite tank....(oops... not a tank is it... actually a bad assed assault gun)... bad news... you will have to apply your own Zimmerit. The engine grills are not seperate either. I am an expert on this model. I bought the original Italieri model in the early eighties...(don't knock it... I think the Italieri kit is great for it's age, it's a good model)... DML do a very accurate model... incl Zimmerit and metal gun barrel... Tamiya will not. but will probably charge the same price as D.M.L... Why has Tamiya gone down this road?.. I can't understand it. I bet Trumpeter will now do their usual thing.... and produce their own model of the Elephant.. at half the price...

They could have produced something radical.. like a 17 pounder gun Churchill Tank..(Black Prince).... or reinvented one of their older models that were 1970's inaccurate..(Wake up Tamiya)..!!!.
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Posted: Friday, May 25, 2012 - 05:37 PM UTC
Looks well engineered and will probably "fall together" as they say, but at the price I wonder if at least a metal barrel and some headphone sets would have been good.
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Posted: Friday, May 25, 2012 - 06:11 PM UTC
Hi all...here is the video from HLJ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yydIXtHHAwo&feature=player_embedded

The kit is a brand new tooling. It doesn't have zimmerit but it does have link and length tracks. I'm sure Atak or some other manufacturer will come out with a nice set of zimmerit for this kit. The pre-order price is $48.00+ at HLJ. I'm thinking about getting it....but I'm not sure. I really like the ease of assembly in Tamiya kits. I think Dragon kits are over engineered for the average modeler with limited time for the hobby. Just my two cents!

Jeff
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Posted: Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 06:56 AM UTC

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Tamiya kits are not selling around here even when they are cut 25%. Nobody even picks the box up to look at it anymore. They go strait to the Dragon area.



It's the opposite way here.
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Posted: Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 06:57 AM UTC
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10183399
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Posted: Friday, June 22, 2012 - 12:28 PM UTC
here's the zimmeret
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10189249
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Posted: Friday, June 22, 2012 - 11:38 PM UTC
Is that Zimm a decal, or a "peel & stick"? The machine translation is rather vague...

Tom
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Posted: Saturday, June 23, 2012 - 03:07 AM UTC

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I have to agree that this is not particularly exciting; Tamiya are unlikely to portray Zimmerit so modellers will pursue the Dragon variants, and, let's face it, the venerable Italeri kit was never that bad a model. I also fear for the price: I note that here in UK the T55 Engigma retails for 50 odd quid - a considerable mark up on the £30 for the basic T55. I wonder what they'll ask for the Elefant?

No, I agree with the earlier comment, where is the flair and the truly inspirational that Tamiya did indeed display with the Char B? Whilst I secretly yearn for an injection Conqueror/M103/T10 it ain't going to happen. An Elefant? No thanks.



I tend to agree with this tbh.

I think the price will end up being shocking, the Elephant is a big TD, and will result in alot of plastic, Tamiya will simply set the price high and alot of people will simply give it a miss.

I really don't understand Tamiya anymore tbh, do we really need another Elephant ?

How about a re-tooled T-62, to follow up the T-55, if Tamiya did a new T-62 and priced it at a sensible price, ie about the same as the T-55, then no one would bother buying the Trumpeter kits, it would be instant win.

Ok, it wouldn't be German, and it wouldn't be American, but it's only competition would be the Trumpeter kits, which are ok, but nothing fantastic, Tamiya could easily do better if they wanted to.

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