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Are M1114 seatbelts retractable?
jwest21
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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 03:25 PM UTC
Do M1114 seatbelts retract like regular auto seatbelts? ET model shows them assembled as just dangling there/non-retractible. Thanks
Frenchy
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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 06:00 PM UTC
Yes they are retractable . Check out these TM drawings showing the belt harware (including retractors 
)
http://hummer-hmmwv.tpub.com/TM-9-2320-387-24-2/css/TM-9-2320-387-24-2_96.htm
http://miscpartsmanuals2.tpub.com/TM-9-2320-387-24P/TM-9-2320-387-24P0688.htm
HTH
Frenchy
)http://hummer-hmmwv.tpub.com/TM-9-2320-387-24-2/css/TM-9-2320-387-24-2_96.htm
http://miscpartsmanuals2.tpub.com/TM-9-2320-387-24P/TM-9-2320-387-24P0688.htm
HTH
Frenchy
afv_rob
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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 08:17 PM UTC
As Frenchy's links indicate E.T. Model (and everyone else) heavily simplified the M1114 seat belts to the point where they are basically wrong. The belts are easy enough to make though, I did some in my M1114 build:
I used the photo-etch pillar loops from a basic Humvee detail set (I believe E.T include something like this in their set) and lead foil for the belt. The belt buckle is a resin pro art models item, as is the retractor case, although these could be easily made from plastic.
I used the photo-etch pillar loops from a basic Humvee detail set (I believe E.T include something like this in their set) and lead foil for the belt. The belt buckle is a resin pro art models item, as is the retractor case, although these could be easily made from plastic.
jwest21
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 01:15 AM UTC
perfectguys....thanks
Tankrider
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 01:55 AM UTC
Jason,
They are identical to most car/truck seatbelts. They are anchored to the floor and the B/C pillars and pull across the body to secure to the latch next to the drivetrain "hump." The only problem that I encountered with them was the seat belt was designed for a occupant that WAS NOT wearing body armor, ammo pouches and Camelback, which increases the occupant's girth substantually.
Rob's M1114 interior is nice but the seatbelts are incorrect. There is (was not in the early M1114s) not a separate lap belt, only the single, over the shoulder belt. I wish my M1114 interior turned out as nice as Rob's.
FWIW
John
They are identical to most car/truck seatbelts. They are anchored to the floor and the B/C pillars and pull across the body to secure to the latch next to the drivetrain "hump." The only problem that I encountered with them was the seat belt was designed for a occupant that WAS NOT wearing body armor, ammo pouches and Camelback, which increases the occupant's girth substantually.
Rob's M1114 interior is nice but the seatbelts are incorrect. There is (was not in the early M1114s) not a separate lap belt, only the single, over the shoulder belt. I wish my M1114 interior turned out as nice as Rob's.
FWIW
John
jwest21
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 01:59 AM UTC
Thanks John!
jwest21
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 02:04 AM UTC
One more questiuon- the latch by the drive train hump- is the belt for that stiff or soft? My old chevy has one that is stiff so it cannot fall down in between the seats
afv_rob
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 02:20 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Rob's M1114 interior is nice but the seatbelts are incorrect. There is (was not in the early M1114s) not a separate lap belt, only the single, over the shoulder belt. I wish my M1114 interior turned out as nice as Rob's.
FWIW
John
Thanks John! I think its hard to tell from my pics, but I didn't do a separate lap belt, I just copied the exact belt layout as the diagram in the first link Frenchy posted, is that diagram correct for the m1114? Maybe it looks like I did a separate lab belt as I positioned the belts on the seat...
sgtsauer
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 02:29 AM UTC
Great model building/finishing Rob! Just outstanding!!
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 03:40 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I just copied the exact belt layout as the diagram in the first link Frenchy posted
Hi Rob
Here's a picture that may help to make things clearer that the TM drawing, even if the pictured Humvee is an earlier, soft-top variant (thanks to Rob Gronovius for the picture) :
The layout pictured in the TM is similar to the one above. When the belt is not used, the retractor keeps it tight along the pillar.
Frenchy
afv_rob
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 05:25 AM UTC
Ahh yes, thanks Frenchy. I see my error now, i've made the belt too loose and rest on the seats.
Tankrider
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 06:11 AM UTC
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Ahh yes, thanks Frenchy. I see my error now, i've made the belt too loose and rest on the seats.
Rob,
No issues from my position, I just spent enough time trying to get that damn belt around my fat @$$. You did an outstanding job on your M1114. I would be surprised if anyone noted the seatbelt when the whole thing is closed up.
John
jwest21
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 06:39 AM UTC
I agree Rob- outstanding work on your build!
thompyt
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 07:20 AM UTC
I'm suprised you actually continued to try. I gave up on the first attempt and never wore one the whole time I was there.
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Quoted TextAhh yes, thanks Frenchy. I see my error now, i've made the belt too loose and rest on the seats.
Rob,
No issues from my position, I just spent enough time trying to get that damn belt around my fat @$$. You did an outstanding job on your M1114. I would be surprised if anyone noted the seatbelt when the whole thing is closed up.
John
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 07:55 AM UTC
Is the system in the M1151 the same idea?
afv_rob
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 09:33 AM UTC
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I would be surprised if anyone noted the seatbelt when the whole thing is closed up.
John
Haha yes, makes you wonder why i go to such lengths for things that won't even be seen, we're a crazy bunch!
jwest21
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 11:38 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextI would be surprised if anyone noted the seatbelt when the whole thing is closed up.
John
Haha yes, makes you wonder why i go to such lengths for things that won't even be seen, we're a crazy bunch!
we are all certifiable
Tankrider
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 02:21 PM UTC
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I'm suprised you actually continued to try. I gave up on the first attempt and never wore one the whole time I was there.
Wayne,
There was times that I didn't use the damn seatbelt... To be honest, after getting buckled in I was not too sure I would be able to get out if we did get hit. Luckily, no IED strikes for my time outside of the wire...
cahilj
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Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 02:49 AM UTC
The M1114 had two different types of seatbelts, depending on what time period you plan on building. The early ones were the standard M998 style belt (lap and shoulder attached), later ones had a two piece belt. Although the two piece belt came out around the same time as the Frag 5 armor, it wasn't part of the Frag 5 kit, it was a separate MWO, so you could have a truck with Frag 5 and the old style seatbelt, of vice versa. here is a pic of the newer style belt-
Both lap and shoulder retract. The latch portion is also height adjustable, so it could be made to stick up above the transmission hump, or tuck down in next to the seat.
The M1151 has the new style right off the production line, and never came with the old style belts.
Both lap and shoulder retract. The latch portion is also height adjustable, so it could be made to stick up above the transmission hump, or tuck down in next to the seat.
The M1151 has the new style right off the production line, and never came with the old style belts.
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