hello,
i have tried the X21 proportion of 1.5 flat to thiner with water first then with alcohol90% and then with gunze acrylic thiner but they all go snow white!!! what am i doing wrong? i have the X20 on order.
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tamiya flat x21 application help needed
aminxe
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2012 - 02:29 AM UTC
alanmac
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2012 - 02:59 AM UTC
Hi
You mix it with paint to make that paint/varnish matt finish. You don't use it on its own.
Alan
You mix it with paint to make that paint/varnish matt finish. You don't use it on its own.
Alan
aminxe
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2012 - 04:02 AM UTC
hello,
when i used enamel flat i added diluent only and i had a perfect finish.How do i go about spraying a flat finish in acrylic mode?
when i used enamel flat i added diluent only and i had a perfect finish.How do i go about spraying a flat finish in acrylic mode?
CMOT
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2012 - 04:47 AM UTC
You would need to use a matt acrylic varnish
bison126
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2012 - 05:10 AM UTC
X-21 is to be used mixed with gloss paints to turn them matt. It is not a clear varnish.
To get a matt finish with acrylic you'd better use the XF series of paints or use a matt varnish as stated by Darren.
Olivier
To get a matt finish with acrylic you'd better use the XF series of paints or use a matt varnish as stated by Darren.
Olivier
spoons
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2012 - 05:12 AM UTC
X21 IS MATT MEDIUM, NOT MATT VARNISH!
aminxe
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2012 - 05:22 AM UTC
which are the acrylic brands which sell them ? gunze warns you that their dedicated spray can can go white i dont see the gunze jar you mention in their catalogue.i want to airbrush only for best result.there is microscale flat varnish but i doubt i can find this in switzerland.
SSGToms
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2012 - 08:01 AM UTC
Vallejo makes excellent Matte Varnish, # 70.520.
I mix 2 parts Tamiya X-21 to 3 parts Future floor polish for a dead flat flat clear finish.
I mix 2 parts Tamiya X-21 to 3 parts Future floor polish for a dead flat flat clear finish.
CMOT
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2012 - 08:19 AM UTC
That is a great suggestion Matt and one I have never considered.
aminxe
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2012 - 03:17 PM UTC
i will try today the suggested X21 in Future "Klear" in europe while waitting for valejo and gunze flats to arrive.I have a "Klear" bottle from johnson wax sent to me to switzerland from the UK a while back for dipping canopies etc.
aminxe
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Posted: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 12:52 AM UTC
the test with X21 and Klear was a fiasco.
SSGToms
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Posted: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 04:32 PM UTC
Okay Amin,
I spent an entire day with two Dunkelgrau test models ( a great color to show gloss or frosting) and I mixed 8 different ratios of X-21 Flat Base and Future. I marked off the models into sections with a black Sharpie marker and wrote the ratio in the section. I then masked and sprayed each mixture, let dry for 24 hours, and judged the results.
2 parts Flat Base to 3 parts Future, or 40% Flat Base to 60 % Future, however you want to express the ratio, gave me the dullest, flattest finish without frosting. This is in 70° with 70% humidity. I have been using this mixture for 4 years without one failure, ever.
So, I hope I can help you solve your problem. What did you do, and what went wrong? Fiasco could describe anything from a glossy finish to your model catching on fire!
I spent an entire day with two Dunkelgrau test models ( a great color to show gloss or frosting) and I mixed 8 different ratios of X-21 Flat Base and Future. I marked off the models into sections with a black Sharpie marker and wrote the ratio in the section. I then masked and sprayed each mixture, let dry for 24 hours, and judged the results.
2 parts Flat Base to 3 parts Future, or 40% Flat Base to 60 % Future, however you want to express the ratio, gave me the dullest, flattest finish without frosting. This is in 70° with 70% humidity. I have been using this mixture for 4 years without one failure, ever.
So, I hope I can help you solve your problem. What did you do, and what went wrong? Fiasco could describe anything from a glossy finish to your model catching on fire!
Anmoga
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Posted: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 08:37 PM UTC
Are you mixing well the content of tamiya's flat bottle?
Jonmarin
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Posted: Friday, May 10, 2013 - 02:23 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Would diluting the X21 with Tamiya thinner help here?Okay Amin,
I spent an entire day with two Dunkelgrau test models ( a great color to show gloss or frosting) and I mixed 8 different ratios of X-21 Flat Base and Future. I marked off the models into sections with a black Sharpie marker and wrote the ratio in the section. I then masked and sprayed each mixture, let dry for 24 hours, and judged the results.
2 parts Flat Base to 3 parts Future, or 40% Flat Base to 60 % Future, however you want to express the ratio, gave me the dullest, flattest finish without frosting. This is in 70° with 70% humidity. I have been using this mixture for 4 years without one failure, ever.
So, I hope I can help you solve your problem. What did you do, and what went wrong? Fiasco could describe anything from a glossy finish to your model catching on fire!
CMOT
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Posted: Friday, May 10, 2013 - 02:37 AM UTC
No that will not help at all as X21 is made to mix with gloss paint to make them matt, it will not work as a varnish ever. I have become quite keen on the rattle can matt varnish by Tamiya which is TS 80. The reason it works as described by Matthew Toms is that Klear is basically a gloss varnish and so the X21 makes it function as a matt varnish.
Jonmarin
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Posted: Friday, May 10, 2013 - 02:42 AM UTC
OK< thanks for the response. Looks like I'm on a shopping trip then!
warreni
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Posted: Friday, May 10, 2013 - 02:51 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Okay Amin,
I spent an entire day with two Dunkelgrau test models ( a great color to show gloss or frosting) and I mixed 8 different ratios of X-21 Flat Base and Future. I marked off the models into sections with a black Sharpie marker and wrote the ratio in the section. I then masked and sprayed each mixture, let dry for 24 hours, and judged the results.
2 parts Flat Base to 3 parts Future, or 40% Flat Base to 60 % Future, however you want to express the ratio, gave me the dullest, flattest finish without frosting. This is in 70° with 70% humidity. I have been using this mixture for 4 years without one failure, ever.
So, I hope I can help you solve your problem. What did you do, and what went wrong? Fiasco could describe anything from a glossy finish to your model catching on fire!
Advice backed up by testing is always good. Maybe a picture or two of your results would help as well.
Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Monday, May 27, 2013 - 07:24 PM UTC
Tamiya make a flat clear, XF-86.
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