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ayovtshev
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2020 - 06:08 AM UTC
Thanks Mike!

I think I see a Finnish Vickers 6 ton behind the Kommandogeraet, so this might be the Manege Military Museum in Suomenlinna, Helsinki

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Posted: Sunday, May 10, 2020 - 09:21 AM UTC
After buying the kit for my own little project. I came to the conclusion that the base for the KDO is actually wrong in the Bronco kit. The DES kit has the correct base for the platform. Checking both bases against war time photos, it becomes clear that the Bronco base is pretty much based on fantasy, where the DES kit base is accurate in every detail.
I did a side by side comparison and this is what stood out for me. The grate used on the Bronco kit has a woven mesh, whereas the real thing had a square mesh screen as in the DES kit. The three legs in the Bronco kit are also in the wrong location. The extend beyond the platform, where the two legs should be under the platform. For all else the Bronco kit is fun to build. I used both kits to get the most accurate rendering.
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Posted: Sunday, May 10, 2020 - 03:58 PM UTC
Welcome to Armorama Roeland!

And thanks for pointing out those Bronco base inaccuracies!

Can you please post some pictures of your model?
I'm particularly interested in seeing how DES base looks like...

TIA

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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 - 01:26 AM UTC
Thank you!
I posted some photos for you in the gallery, hope that helps
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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 - 01:36 AM UTC
Thanks Roeland,

They're absolutely helpful!

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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 - 03:27 AM UTC
One note for Roeland; the tri-form 3-legged base in the museum photos I posted appears to match the Bronco base perfectly. However you are correct the wire mesh used by Bronco is incorrect.

I would also reiterate that in the Bronce kit the mesh deck seems to be intended to rotate WITH the Telemeter. THIS IS INCORRECT in that the the mesh decking is actually fixed to the tri-form base and only the Telemeter and the small step platform for the main spotter is intended to rotate.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 - 05:00 AM UTC
Mike,

Glad to hear from you!

Roelands point is that- unlike in Bronco's base- Kdo.Ger.40's rear legs do not protrude bellow lowered mesh screens.

This is also visible on the picture you posted on March 07, 2020 in this thread.

I was sent a walkaround of a Kdo.Ger.40 by Carlos Martin(varanusk) and there are also some pictures, proving Roelands point:


Pictures courtesy of Carlos Martin(varanusk)

Roeland also kindly posted a picture of both bases(DES-Bronco) side by side and this picture shows quite clearly where the inaccuracy in Bronco's rendition came from:


The rear legs in Bronco's kit are mounted:
1.on a position that's too forward, whereas they should be mounted behind the trailer mounts
2.on a sort of outrigger arms, whereas they should have no outrigger arms (leg bodies were welded to the base frame).

I've chosen to build the Kdo.Ger.40 in Bronco 2020 Campaign (that I happen to lead) and I will incorporate Roelands findings in my build.

Cheers,
Angel
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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 - 01:52 PM UTC
I guess my point was more that both types of bases are correct and the Bronco offering is not in itself incorrect. But perhaps I am mistaken.

Sorry Angel but I have been sort of "below the surface" as far as modeling has gone. It seems like now would be a time for even more modeling but I have unfortunately been almost totally unmotivated. I was able to get started on the new FWD World War I truck and have been enjoying that but I have only gotten as far as the chassis, engine and transfer case.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - 07:26 PM UTC
Hello Angel,
I checked many different walkarounds all over the web with regard to the outriggers of the Bronco kit.
The main reason for me was that I found the legs of the bronco kit where to wide to fit well on the vomag. That suggested for me that something was wrong.
Most German platforms have a standardized form (like the smaller flak guns also placed on tripods. The Germans designed with interchangability in mind. If you look at photos of different platforms that have been mounted on vehicles, the vehicle would also have some sort of shoe to fit a tripod on. The vomag had this, and several other verhicles like the horch where a flak was mounted on.
Logic thus would suggest that all these tripod platforms would have the same distance between the legs, which is not the case for the bronco platform when compared to other platforms.
With that logic in mind I spoke to several of my modeling friends that are knowledgeable on the subject and they confirmed my idea. Then I started a check against wartime period photos of the KDO 40 which led to confirming of my idea that the base was wrong.
The other thing is that the KDO 40 is a successor of the KDO 36 (which you probably know). The KDO 36 was also mounted on the Vomag. It would be strange for the Germans not be able to easily replace the KDO 36 for the KDO 40. From looking at period photos it would suggest to me that the legs or mounts for the KDO 36 are placed all at the same distance as the mounts for the KDO 40. The KDO 36 also had 3 mmounts.
Just to provide you with the whole thought process that went on behind the base. I would not easily just post that the legs of the Bronco kit are wrong:)
Hope that helps someone else building this kit.
Thank you for the nice words regarding my build. I just have to add the numberplates then I think it is pretty much done.
Best regards,
Roel
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Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2020 - 04:57 AM UTC
Roel,

Thanks for getting vocal about your findings.
You'll help me- and others- build a replica that's true in more than one meaning.

As I mentioned in a earlier post- I'm the Campaign Leader of Bronco 2020 Campaign and I'll build the Kdo.Ger.40 within the Campaign.
I'll incorporate your findings in my build and will credit you.

Keep up the good work and please post your Vomag too!

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Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2020 - 10:40 PM UTC
Can you elaborate on that campaign?
I have no knowledge about it, but it sounds interesting!
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Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2020 - 11:43 PM UTC
Sure Rouli!

I'll PM you the links to both the Rules & Regulations/Enlistment page and to Campaigns thread!


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