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Questions about first airbrushing sessions
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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 06:46 AM UTC
So I painted my first model with an airbrush last night and overall it went great. That said, I have a few questions:

1. I thinned the paint (Tamiya grey) down pretty heavily, but maybe I didn't thin it enough? The paint spray was coming out in with both bigger and smaller "dots" of paint. I would assume it should have been pretty consistent, no?

2. I've noticed that I can all too easily scratch off the paint. Is this because of faulty painting or just the nature of the beast?

3. After painting this first coat, I've noticed a few blemishes I need to fix. If I scrap/sand/whatever to fix, it's of course it's going to remove paint. What's the best way to ensure that when I re-spray this area, I'm not going to have a big chunk of ugly where the scraped off paint was?

Really excited after seeing this first result!

Thanks in advance for the help.
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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 07:03 AM UTC
We probably need some more info to diagnose your issues.

1) What did you thin the Tamiya paint with? Air pressure? What airbrush is it?

2) The nature of airbrushed paint is that it is an extremely thin layer. Which means it will be less durable than some brushed finishes. That said, it also takes awhile to fully cure, even after it visually appears dry. Were you actually trying to scrape it, or accidental, or ???

3) If you do some sanding, as long as you blend the sanding into the area already painted, when you respray, you shouldn't have any problems.

Glad you're happy with it.


Grab an old milk jug and practice with different air pressures, thinning ratios, distance between airbrush and subject, controlling paint flow, etc. You'll soon enough pickup a 'feel' for it that will help when you're shooting at your models.
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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 09:06 AM UTC

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We probably need some more info to diagnose your issues.

1) What did you thin the Tamiya paint with? Air pressure? What airbrush is it?




Airbrush is the Paasche H model single action.

I used (based on recommendation of hobby shop guys that the Tamiya thinner is nasty stuff) the Testors universal thinner.

Air pressure was around 30lbs (too much?)


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2) The nature of airbrushed paint is that it is an extremely thin layer. Which means it will be less durable than some brushed finishes. That said, it also takes awhile to fully cure, even after it visually appears dry. Were you actually trying to scrape it, or accidental, or ???



Both, actually. I'll take a look and test out today since it's been nearly 24 hours. I tried it after just an hour or so.


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3) If you do some sanding, as long as you blend the sanding into the area already painted, when you respray, you shouldn't have any problems.



What's best practice to "blend" then? Just using super fine sandpaper?

Thanks!
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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 11:39 AM UTC

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We probably need some more info to diagnose your issues.

1) What did you thin the Tamiya paint with? Air pressure? What airbrush is it?




Airbrush is the Paasche H model single action.

I used (based on recommendation of hobby shop guys that the Tamiya thinner is nasty stuff) the Testors universal thinner.

Air pressure was around 30lbs (too much?)



I've had poor luck with Testor's universal. I have NO idea what your shop is talking about the Tamiya thinner. It's not nasty at all. I'd try to grab a bottle of that next time. Or... you can thin Tamiya with iso alcohol and/or water.

30 psi sounds high to me, but I haven't used a siphon feed brush in years. Experiment with lower.


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2) The nature of airbrushed paint is that it is an extremely thin layer. Which means it will be less durable than some brushed finishes. That said, it also takes awhile to fully cure, even after it visually appears dry. Were you actually trying to scrape it, or accidental, or ???



Both, actually. I'll take a look and test out today since it's been nearly 24 hours. I tried it after just an hour or so.



Fair enough.


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3) If you do some sanding, as long as you blend the sanding into the area already painted, when you respray, you shouldn't have any problems.



What's best practice to "blend" then? Just using super fine sandpaper?

Thanks!

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Yeah. I responded to your other thread about sanding. What grit are you using? I find that even 400 is typically fine enough to blend into other stuff, although you may want to do a final sanding with 600 or so. Just my experience.
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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 12:11 PM UTC
Thin Tamiya paint with Tamiya thinner at a ratio of 40 to 50% paint to 60 or 50 % thinner. I have never used your brand of brush but I suspect that you will need 20 to 25 psi to work. Grab an old plastic milk cartoon and practice on that remembering that distance is also a factor in getting a good finish.
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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 04:16 PM UTC

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Yeah. I responded to your other thread about sanding. What grit are you using? I find that even 400 is typically fine enough to blend into other stuff, although you may want to do a final sanding with 600 or so. Just my experience.



I don't recall the grit off the top of my head, but if it's not that fine, I'll switch over.

As far as the scratching off goes - after curing, things are certainly in better shape, and mostly isn't happening. But some spots are still coming off (down to the plastic vs. just marring the finish). Any thoughts on why? Paint not thick enough in those spots?

Thanks!
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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 11:25 PM UTC
The kit could have had excessive mold release, oils from your hands, etc. This is where cleaning the kit before painting, or putting down a primer will help.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 01:44 AM UTC

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The kit could have had excessive mold release, oils from your hands, etc. This is where cleaning the kit before painting, or putting down a primer will help.



I don't think so - I washed with light dish soap and fully rinsed as soon as I opened the box.

Any other possibilities?
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