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M47 1:35 Italeri + Eduard
Rafhart
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Wojewodztwo Kujawsko-Pomorskie, Poland
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Posted: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 11:03 PM UTC
Hi, I'm going to build the M47 in American painting, I wanted to do as a base would be plus Italeri kit Eduard sheet.










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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 01:36 AM UTC
Crap! You've gone too far.

I was going to suggest that you make sure you add the acsting texture to the hull & turret before adding the PE parts. This jkit is great, still one of the best kits made, but the hull ant turret are too smooth.

If you are not much further ahead than your photos, I'd suggest adding the cast texture before proceeding. It will make a huge difference in how nice the kit looks when finished.

Here are some photos of mine & finished a couple years ago.











This is a French Patton from Suez.

Other than the cast texture and scratchbuilding the mantlet cover from epoxy putty, the kit is OOB.

Paul
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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 01:48 AM UTC
Hi Rafal, very interesting subject. It looks very nice. I have to agree with Paul on the texture of this tank's armor. I know from personal experience that it has quite a rough texture that can actually be seen with a naked eye even from some distance! Some even had a big nasty casting mark at the turret. I think you can still do it, although it would take some time to do it, in order to avoid damage to the PE parts. No matter what you choose to do have fun and enjoy it!


John
Rafhart
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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 05:51 PM UTC
Thanks for the comments, the pictures that I have know there are only small pouring tower. I thought about painting from Egypt, but the model must be supplemented by a few additional parts are not included. So the U.S. remains at a nice painting.
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Posted: Thursday, June 14, 2012 - 03:13 AM UTC
By "pouring tower" I take it you mean the metal pour point in the casting? If so, you have been looking at an extremely clean and smooth vehicle. Most had much more texture & uneveness in their surfaces. I'm attaching several photos I took of how I achieved the casting texture on my M47.


The white line is approximately where the seam was in the turret casting. These were generally roughly flame cut or ground down to an acceptable surface.



A detail of how the seam was made plus you can see that I have gone over the entire turret surface with my Dremel using a broad leaf-shaped bit to produce shallow indentations to represent the trowel marks in the sand of the sand mould of these castings. Most of these turrets had their moulds partially shaped by hand prior to pouring the metal.



Here's the turret coated with Mr. Surface 500. The Mr. Surfacer is stippeled while still wet until stiff peaks form in the filler and it's nearly dry. It takes practice, but you can get good at it quite quickly on a practice model or piece of plastic. After it's completely dry, I gently sand it down to achieve the amount of cast tecture of the original.



The whole turret ready for the rest of the assembly.



After paint & decals (hence the shine). You can still see the file marks at the casting seam representing the flame cut surface and that the main surface is not too rough. American sand castings are generally relatively smooth, but the surface is slightly undulating due to the trowelling.


The epoxy putty dust cover in place prior to painting it.



The finished turret after weathering. It's hard to make out in the photo, but on the real thing you can still see the small amount of waviness in the surface even after all of the paint & weathering. I was really pleased with how well it turned out.

This kit was a built as a quick OOB project to give me a break from some intense scratchbuilding I had been doing on another project. Got me another M47 kit and next time I'm gonna pull out all the stops on this great model.
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Posted: Thursday, June 14, 2012 - 04:42 PM UTC
Rafał
i have this kit just wait so i will be waching this you are doing a great job so far keep it up
dave
Rafhart
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Posted: Friday, June 15, 2012 - 08:47 AM UTC
Thank you for the comments, this time I will not make the casting.
But the towers went aluminum copper, and steel.
54 added to the tower details



Rafhart
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Posted: Friday, June 22, 2012 - 11:02 PM UTC




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Posted: Friday, June 22, 2012 - 11:52 PM UTC
Rafal, looking great so far. This one has been on my todo list for a long time, so I'm watching with interest!

Cheers! Stefan
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Posted: Saturday, June 23, 2012 - 12:13 AM UTC
Wow, 2 M47 builds right here on ARMORAMA and those turnbuckles & the drip guards ... someone needs to post a PATTON Campaign as soon as possible PLEASE!

I wanna build mine now but I am buried in commitments.

Oh yeah, sorry for losin' it. Nice build and I agree on the surface texture as I have been up close with the M47 before too. If you can still do it now that all that PE has been added.







~ Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 - 08:43 AM UTC
Thank you all for watching, I've now finished model, a short summary, I have added more than 140 missing parts of metal, it was not easy, but finally finished. He added a beautiful large star on the front panel.
Yours, the next project will be the second world war.

http://rafhart.manifo.com/m-47-patton-italeri-135
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