ok photos
first off box & contents
and then progress - not too bad - the exhaust wanted to ping off but got it attached... rest went on easily (top is just slotted on - wont glue it until its all painted....
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robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 - 01:19 AM UTC
Return to armour building after 26 or so years out. Adding metal barrels (m/g and 20mm) but rest is oob. Building as 3rd Panzer division, 1941 in 2-tone dak. Scheme ral8000 and ral7008. Will add RB models barrels for both machine gun and main gun
ok photos
first off box & contents
and then progress - not too bad - the exhaust wanted to ping off but got it attached... rest went on easily (top is just slotted on - wont glue it until its all painted....
ok photos
first off box & contents
and then progress - not too bad - the exhaust wanted to ping off but got it attached... rest went on easily (top is just slotted on - wont glue it until its all painted....
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Monday, July 09, 2012 - 01:09 AM UTC
work suspended while I await my replacement barrels. Also going to add an aerial recognition panel (not a swastika but a cross) and a tarpaulin-type bundle just for a bit more interest.
Rockfall
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Posted: Monday, July 09, 2012 - 04:26 AM UTC
This was the very first armour kit I ever did. I still have a soft spot for it. Great to see it still getting built.
Jeff
Jeff
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Monday, July 09, 2012 - 05:47 AM UTC
Quoted Text
This was the very first armour kit I ever did. I still have a soft spot for it. Great to see it still getting built.
Jeff
its a nice kit - goes together well with scope for me to practice armour weathering
aerial recognition flag attempt 1.... need to tone down some of the highlights I think. Painted in oil paint (may look less fake once the tank itself is painted)
I know it should be a swastika but this is a compromise.....
PS - is it me or is it too big??? I have seen photos with smaller flags draped over the rear of the turret but also on the rear engine deck.... will see (now I know how to do it I can repeat if needed)
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Monday, July 09, 2012 - 08:24 PM UTC
trying flag #2 - this time printing the flag onto normal paper, cutting out, wetting with glue/water and moulding to the shape. I don't think it looks as "cloth-like" (doesn't drape as well) but the image of the cross looks better. Once dry I will then touch it up with my oil paints to give it a more natural appearance.
photos later
photos later
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 02:42 AM UTC
ok.. having found refs of other Panzer types (III and III/IV I think) here we have flag number 2... now this one was a .GIF image of the flag printed onto normal printer paper, then mix of water and white glue to soak and moulded to shape. The colours were then painted over in oil paint with a bit of shading (mostly highlight) done... .I am sadly pleased with how this came out so will not go for another flag this time.
still waiting on the gun barrels but hopefully in the next couple of days they will arrive...
piccies
still waiting on the gun barrels but hopefully in the next couple of days they will arrive...
piccies
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 10:57 PM UTC
barrels arrived - very nice - and added... infinitely better than the kit "rods" of plastic.....
next up painting... now that will probably have to wait....
next up painting... now that will probably have to wait....
jimz66
Joined: December 15, 2006
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 11:05 PM UTC
Nice work on that second flag. But next time work on that after you paint. I don't know if you can remove it in the mean time... Looks great...Welcome back.
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 11:11 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Nice work on that second flag. But next time work on that after you paint. I don't know if you can remove it in the mean time... Looks great...Welcome back.
thanks - flag is just resting - not stuck
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Monday, July 16, 2012 - 08:46 AM UTC
first paint on - just grey primer mostly for barrels (look nice painted) and so I can see where I am painting the RAL800 which is so close to the bare plastic I dont think I could've seen where had been missed ;-)
also done the tracks - first go with the rubber kit ones, just a base coat of humbrol matt black enamel but seemed to take ok....
also done the tracks - first go with the rubber kit ones, just a base coat of humbrol matt black enamel but seemed to take ok....
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 - 02:11 AM UTC
well RAL8000 (MM equivalent colour 2099 anyway) on... I can see why they changed the paint from 1942 - its the most un-sandy sand camo I have seen - more appropriate after an extra-hot curry.... photos later in the week (once the other RAL colour is added to 1/3 of the hull....)
robw_uk
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Posted: Thursday, July 19, 2012 - 01:44 AM UTC
photos of RAL8000 painted... cacki colour (as opposed to Khaki.....)
robw_uk
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Posted: Thursday, July 19, 2012 - 10:24 PM UTC
wanted to see how i was doing so added wheels & tracks.. still need to do the darker brown camo and sort out those tracks - waaaaaay too bright - hoping weathering will help that (black undercoat then humbrol aluminium dry-brushed... just looks too "stripey")
Matt182
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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2012 - 02:00 AM UTC
looking good Robert. Very neat and tidy to say it's your first armor build in 26 years. For the tracks, weathering should sort out the starkness between the black and silver. Just add plently of dusty/light dirt tones with pigments or chalks. For the wear on the contact points I would suggest using a 4-6B pencil or a silver artists pencil as it will give a much better effect.
Just a though, did those metal barrels nearly cost the same as the kit?
Cheers
Matt
Just a though, did those metal barrels nearly cost the same as the kit?
Cheers
Matt
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2012 - 02:11 AM UTC
thanks for the tip - think I need to do a dilute coat all over of a darker steel too....
the barrels were about £1 less than the kit yes ;-) but i think they do make a difference (and I like them....)
the barrels were about £1 less than the kit yes ;-) but i think they do make a difference (and I like them....)
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 06:31 AM UTC
well added the RAL7008 patches - looks OK and done the "steel" coat over the tracks - now they look toooooo fresh and shiny - but will weather them dusty, maybe a bit of grease? some light rust (not too heavy as its the desert and I believe the sand would keep a lot of it on the treads clean)
photos when I am happier with the finish(will do some progress shots for my records)
photos when I am happier with the finish(will do some progress shots for my records)
robw_uk
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Posted: Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 07:43 PM UTC
little progress... decals on, and you can just about make out the 2-tone scheme
next stop weathering.....
next stop weathering.....
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 11:04 PM UTC
started the weathering with 3 colours applied by sponge... they were
1) dark grey
2) lighter RAL8000
3) lighter RAL7008
personally i think the effect looks better from a distance - fades the joins between the camo, dulls down and makes it look a "little" less toy like. For a first attempt its ok(ish)... Have some soft pastels for next - going to mix my own colours for sandy and look to apply.....
the grey "lid" on the LHS is to cook breakfast on.... found a video on youtube of a PzII in the desert - crew were frying eggs on that part and it was clean & dark - just went for a grey colour as couldn't see if it was base coat grey or bare metal (assume the latter).... just adds a touch of individuality...
as always, constructive criticism more than gratefully received
1) dark grey
2) lighter RAL8000
3) lighter RAL7008
personally i think the effect looks better from a distance - fades the joins between the camo, dulls down and makes it look a "little" less toy like. For a first attempt its ok(ish)... Have some soft pastels for next - going to mix my own colours for sandy and look to apply.....
the grey "lid" on the LHS is to cook breakfast on.... found a video on youtube of a PzII in the desert - crew were frying eggs on that part and it was clean & dark - just went for a grey colour as couldn't see if it was base coat grey or bare metal (assume the latter).... just adds a touch of individuality...
as always, constructive criticism more than gratefully received
retiredyank
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 11:19 PM UTC
Excluding the C130 my parents made my grandad build for me(he bought it and I was 6), this was my first kit. I remember enjoying it. No where near as good as yours. Great kit for a vignette or by its self. The air recognition panel is a nice touch. The Wermacht and panzer divisions were not necessarily pro Hitler and it's good to see you went the right way with it.
darreng
Joined: January 21, 2006
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 11:34 PM UTC
Looking good there Rob. I've got one, but mine will be an SS operated vehicle.
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 04:52 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Excluding the C130 my parents made my grandad build for me(he bought it and I was 6), this was my first kit. I remember enjoying it. No where near as good as yours. Great kit for a vignette or by its self. The air recognition panel is a nice touch. The Wermacht and panzer divisions were not necessarily pro Hitler and it's good to see you went the right way with it.
Thanks for that. Not sure about a vignette at this stage, consideeing it for future builds. For the air rec panel, most were swastika and read no evidence of the atlernative cross being used, HOWEVER did see a snippet of film of SD.kfz 222 with rear I'd panels and they were balkenkreuz. They were in Greece but gives me a little glimmer that this may have happened....
wbill76
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Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 12:01 PM UTC
Looking very nice! One small suggestion would be to paint the 2.0cm gun as gunmetal to match the MG34. These typically were swapped out on a regular basis (the vehicle carried spares on board routinely) and so weren't usually seen in the same basecoat color as the vehicle.
robw_uk
Joined: June 22, 2010
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2012 - 09:08 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Looking very nice! One small suggestion would be to paint the 2.0cm gun as gunmetal to match the MG34. These typically were swapped out on a regular basis (the vehicle carried spares on board routinely) and so weren't usually seen in the same basecoat color as the vehicle.
thanks for tha... any images of where they stored the spare barrel - could use the kit one (with drilled ends for "realism - or perhaps wrapped in tarp) to add some variation to my kit..... will have a look....
C_JACQUEMONT
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2012 - 11:03 PM UTC
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The air recognition panel is a nice touch. The Wermacht and panzer divisions were not necessarily pro Hitler and it's good to see you went the right way with it.
It was the national flag! I very much doubt anyone would put a cross instead of the svastika to express some kind of political statement.
This balkenkreuz looks weird on a white circle on a red flag, would be nice to see some evidence of it being used, like a video capture of the film mentioned.
Other than that a very nice built of a classic old Tamiya model.
Cheers,
Christophe
robw_uk
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2012 - 11:22 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextThe air recognition panel is a nice touch. The Wermacht and panzer divisions were not necessarily pro Hitler and it's good to see you went the right way with it.
It was the national flag! I very much doubt anyone would put a cross instead of the svastika to express some kind of political statement.
This balkenkreuz looks weird on a white circle on a red flag, would be nice to see some evidence of it being used, like a video capture of the film mentioned.
Other than that a very nice built of a classic old Tamiya model.
Cheers,
Christophe
there are stories of it being used around but i have not found evidence... I am not making a political statement so will ditch it....
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