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Humbrol matt cote problem
boosahmer
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Posted: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 04:57 PM UTC
I need some help here...I got some Humbrol matt cote, brushed it on a figure over acrylic paint, for a matte coat, and it dried as glossy as could be! WHAT did I do wrong? First time I have ever used the stuff. Thanks for any advice or clues!
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Posted: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 07:15 PM UTC
Hi Robert

Did you stir it thoroughly? Failure to do so is often the reason for matt finishes looking glossy.

Humbrol Matt Cote separates out over time, leaving a cloudy sediment at the bottom of the bottle. It needs a good stir before use.

Hope this helps.

Rowan
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Posted: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 08:07 PM UTC
Concur. A really, REALLY good stir. When you apply it, try and apply it really thinly...it doesn't take much, too thick and it might leave 'white' spots.

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Posted: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 09:48 PM UTC
what do you use to thin the humbrol varnishes? I've used white sprit in the plast it was fine but I did get those little "white" patches
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Posted: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 10:16 PM UTC
Is the paint still "fresh" ? Matt varnish tends to get white or glossy when it gets too old.

Personally I think it's the stirring part the caused this gloss, but if not, the age of the paint could be a second thing to think over.
boosahmer
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Posted: Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 04:27 AM UTC
hmmm...interesting. I did stir it, it was a brand new bottle, although I've had it for a while. It does look cloudy. I will stir it again like crazy, and give it another try. I didn't thin it, I put a very light coat on the figure. Thanks for the help. I'll let you know what happens! :-)
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Posted: Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 07:26 AM UTC
I think you have an incompatibility problem. I have always used Humbrol product. When I built the Centurion earlier this year I tried some Tamiya enamel. When I applied Tamiya flat enamel over the tissue paper/white glue mantlet cover it dried glossy. When I then applied Humbrol Clear Matt it also came out glossy!

I waited a few days and tried again- same thing.

I then got some Microscale Micro Flat, which also a dried glossy.

By now I was getting desperate! However the Micro Flat must have acted as a seal coat 'cos when I then applied a coat Humbrol it came out lovely and flat.

As an aside the Micro Flat is a real problem. It varies from dead flat to high gloss depending on the base coat and so far I have been unable to establish what it likes/doesn't like.

Regards Dave
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Posted: Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 07:05 PM UTC

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As an aside the Micro Flat is a real problem. It varies from dead flat to high gloss depending on the base coat and so far I have been unable to establish what it likes/doesn't like.



Hi Dave

Thanks for the warning. I've used Micro Flat for years and never had this problem. I've actually recommended on Armorama as a simple solution, but it looks like I might have been lucky.

I'll be using it again soon over a variety of paints, so I'll shout if I find any problems.

Cheers

Rowan
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Posted: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 01:39 AM UTC
Hello, one question, I have the Micro Flat but I'd like to put on my model a general matt colour, not gloss color. It is possible to apply the Micro Flat on all the model to make it a matt colour. What it is the procedure?
Thanks
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Posted: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 09:42 AM UTC

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Mate i'm gonna give you a good peice of advice about the brush on small tins of humbrol matt coat... bin them, buy the spary can and use it.


james



there is nothing wrong with Humbrol paints James. I use them almost exclusively now for both brush and AB.

So your post really is just a personal opinion on your part rather then advice.

cheers
Cliff
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Posted: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 09:56 AM UTC

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Mate i'm gonna give you a good peice of advice about the brush on small tins of humbrol matt coat... bin them, buy the spary can and use it.


Ive never liked the little tins of Humbrol matt either. No matter how much I stirred they always were glossy or left patches of gloss.
I use tamiya for most base colours and airbrush weathering. Detail painting, washes, drybrushing, etc are done 80% humbrols and possibly 20% oils. I also use future/Johnssons for decals, so I do need a flat cote again.
The little square glass bottles of Matt Humbrol, are excellent. I use this all the time and never had a problem. I thin with humbrols own thinners. I only use this, and its over quite a few types of finishes, and Ive never noticed any problem yet!
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