The man does not even deny the kit has issues. And "[...]" means intentional omitting of a part of the quoted text. The size issue (almost one centimeter) is too big to be a molding problem.
I wanted this kit badly. Knowing now that it has issues has killed all the fun in building it. If they solve the problems I'd be thrilled to own one....
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Merkava IIID: Meng VS Hobby Boss
FlorinM
Joined: August 01, 2011
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Posted: Friday, July 27, 2012 - 01:24 AM UTC
Spiderfrommars
Joined: July 13, 2010
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Posted: Friday, July 27, 2012 - 05:27 AM UTC
Such a large discrepancy seems to me really too big to be true. If it were true, all the subject would look totally deformed. That's just my guess so I don't claim that I must be right, I really should compare the model with some realiable drawings in scale.
Regarding the mr Mass's comment, although I consider him as the most reliable expert of IDF tanks, it doesn't seem to me a correct policy, denying the responsabilities and blaming only the company for the kit mistakes. I don't know what kind of agreement he had with Meng, but I'm sure that lots of modellers (...as for example me, since I'm not an IDF expert...) have bought the kit because the product was advertised to be designed and produced under his consultancy. If he wasn't sure about the kit accuracy, he shouldn't have "underwrote" it. That would have been more correct, in my humble opinion.
Since the kit is quite expensive, It's really upsetting finding that kind of dimensional flaws. However I think I'll build it soon
Regarding the mr Mass's comment, although I consider him as the most reliable expert of IDF tanks, it doesn't seem to me a correct policy, denying the responsabilities and blaming only the company for the kit mistakes. I don't know what kind of agreement he had with Meng, but I'm sure that lots of modellers (...as for example me, since I'm not an IDF expert...) have bought the kit because the product was advertised to be designed and produced under his consultancy. If he wasn't sure about the kit accuracy, he shouldn't have "underwrote" it. That would have been more correct, in my humble opinion.
Since the kit is quite expensive, It's really upsetting finding that kind of dimensional flaws. However I think I'll build it soon
mario50
Joined: November 18, 2010
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Posted: Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 11:13 PM UTC
I got merkva meng in HK in one of my trip i was very hentus=siat as soon as i opend the box my happines went , i have also the photetched but it is there i did not touch and i am tring to swap , meng do not do nothing good, i can say hobby boss i got many models are nice and precise
mario50
Joined: November 18, 2010
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Posted: Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 11:16 PM UTC
And more i been working in the Middle east fopr 11 years with the peace keeping , i seen and i had the luck to be close at mekava and zelda many times in meng one for the glance i gave it is many errors amny think do not are as in the real ,so i been in HK again many times but never i got another meng again, also mengo models are very limited
stephane
Joined: October 10, 2005
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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 - 01:14 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I got merkva meng in HK in one of my trip i was very hentus=siat as soon as i opend the box my happines went , i have also the photetched but it is there i did not touch and i am tring to swap , meng do not do nothing good, i can say hobby boss i got many models are nice and precise
hello Mario
Could you please give us some light about the "errors" Meng MK3D is supposed to have?
From what i see on mine compared to references, Meng looks to have done a good job.
The turret is looking more accurate than HB's one for example (this last one looks too flat like their MK4 turret).
The tracks looks better too on Meng offering.
OK Meng don't give PE sheet, that is the good point of HB.
vozard
Joined: March 17, 2016
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Posted: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 - 08:23 PM UTC
The Hobby Boss Kit Merkava MkIV is the worst kit i have ever seen in 46 years and is going to be the first one that i am not going to finish. You have to glue mini-chains on a photo etched part because they were to stupid to put holes in it. 25 times. Because the chain touches the part on one small point only, the connection breaks while you glue the next one. Soldering doesn't work either. Hobby Boss did not take the time thinking about the reason why customers buy such a kit: To have fun! This is no fun at all! I recommend any other kit than this one.
hugohuertas
Joined: January 26, 2007
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Posted: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 - 08:49 PM UTC
What has this to do in relation to the Merkava 3?
Why didn't you post that in any of the Merkava 4 treads?
My only concern about HB Merkava 4 kit is the annoying mistake thry made with the suspension.
TVE rest of the model is not that bad.
Why didn't you post that in any of the Merkava 4 treads?
My only concern about HB Merkava 4 kit is the annoying mistake thry made with the suspension.
TVE rest of the model is not that bad.
system
Joined: November 24, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 - 10:46 PM UTC
At the risk of staying off-topic...
I don't think the suspension is the only problem with the HB Merk4 - it's representative of the level of accuracy of the whole kit. I don't have accurate drawings, but compared to photos: The suspension sits too low, the turret is 'squashed', the sprocket is wrong (too many lightening holes too many teeth), the tracks are wrong, the mantlet .50cal mount is wrong, etc. etc. The kit is a mess.
I don't think the suspension is the only problem with the HB Merk4 - it's representative of the level of accuracy of the whole kit. I don't have accurate drawings, but compared to photos: The suspension sits too low, the turret is 'squashed', the sprocket is wrong (too many lightening holes too many teeth), the tracks are wrong, the mantlet .50cal mount is wrong, etc. etc. The kit is a mess.
KruppCake
Joined: July 13, 2015
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Posted: Thursday, March 17, 2016 - 03:08 AM UTC
I loved the Meng version. Had some minor fit issues, but nothing that couldn't be fixed with a hidden popsicle stick.
hugohuertas
Joined: January 26, 2007
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Posted: Thursday, March 17, 2016 - 03:36 AM UTC
Quoted Text
At the risk of staying off-topic...
I don't think the suspension is the only problem with the HB Merk4 - it's representative of the level of accuracy of the whole kit. I don't have accurate drawings, but compared to photos: The suspension sits too low, the turret is 'squashed', the sprocket is wrong (too many lightening holes too many teeth), the tracks are wrong, the mantlet .50cal mount is wrong, etc. etc. The kit is a mess.
Well, defining the kit as a mess due to its -for a long time now- well known shortcomings is a subjective opinion.
Same goes to saying that it is the worst kit ever, when anyone can find here in Armorama very well documented reviews and critics about a lot of completely wrong kits -does Black Plague ring a bell?-
Anyway, the topic here are the Merkava 3 kits, and about them I find Meng's ones the best with no doubts...
bill_c
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Posted: Thursday, March 17, 2016 - 04:02 AM UTC
The Tamiya excellence of the past has been resurrected in Meng kits. They are generally superb. Here is my Merkava III.
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system
Joined: November 24, 2008
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Posted: Friday, March 18, 2016 - 03:34 PM UTC
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Well, defining the kit as a mess due to its -for a long time now- well known shortcomings is a subjective opinion.
Well, its shortcomings can't be that well-known if the consensus is it's basically a good kit but for the goof with the suspension. It doesn't take long comparing it with photos of the real thing to see there are some real shape issues - and that's before you even get on to the details.
Compare the profile drawings in this link (can't post it as an image)
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10131389t2/60/2#
with the real thing:
The wheels ride too high, the whole turret looks off. And yes, the kit does match the drawings, tho' I long ago trashed mine, just robbing it for spares.
Barthass
Joined: June 27, 2007
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Posted: Friday, March 18, 2016 - 04:53 PM UTC
I found some more mistakes on the Hobby Boss Mk.3D, the rear part of Hobby Boss Merkava 3D is completly wrong, check out the proportions ( width) of the rear baskets, fenders and stowage bins mounted on fenders, rear hatch looking more like Mk.4 type, than 3D (it is looking very flat). The cover over the rear hatch is also wrong, the rear baskets have the wrong shape.
And there should be only one cross wind sensor on the turret.
And there should be only one cross wind sensor on the turret.
hugohuertas
Joined: January 26, 2007
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Posted: Saturday, March 19, 2016 - 11:19 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextWell, defining the kit as a mess due to its -for a long time now- well known shortcomings is a subjective opinion.
Well, its shortcomings can't be that well-known if the consensus is it's basically a good kit but for the goof with the suspension. It doesn't take long comparing it with photos of the real thing to see there are some real shape issues - and that's before you even get on to the details.
Compare the profile drawings in this link (can't post it as an image)
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10131389t2/60/2#
with the real thing:
The wheels ride too high, the whole turret looks off. And yes, the kit does match the drawings, tho' I long ago trashed mine, just robbing it for spares.
Once again, "mess" is your personal opinion... I should assume that you know far much about the vehicle than other people like -for example- Mr. Michael Mass, but anyway what looks like a mess for some people looks fine for others.
And once again, you keep talking about something not related to the Merkava 3D kits.
If you feel that bad about HB Merkava 4, start your own new tread and feel free to detail every single detail that bother you so much.
But this tread is clearly related to the Mk 3D version and available kits.
system
Joined: November 24, 2008
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Posted: Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 01:37 AM UTC
I'll very happily defer to Michael Mass' opinion, and he's provided us with some excellent reference (the Desert Eagle series) so we can do our own research, which exactly is how I did mine. So I posted a bunch of things I think are wrong - anyone can check them and come to their own conclusions (and decide whether or not they care).
As for going off-topic, I'll stop talking about the Merkava 4 if you will.
Back on planet Merkava 3D, I can highly recommend the new Meng 3D Late LIC.
As for going off-topic, I'll stop talking about the Merkava 4 if you will.
Back on planet Merkava 3D, I can highly recommend the new Meng 3D Late LIC.
KruppCake
Joined: July 13, 2015
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Posted: Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 02:09 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I'll very happily defer to Michael Mass' opinion, and he's provided us with some excellent reference (the Desert Eagle series) so we can do our own research, which exactly is how I did mine. So I posted a bunch of things I think are wrong - anyone can check them and come to their own conclusions (and decide whether or not they care).
As for going off-topic, I'll stop talking about the Merkava 4 if you will.
Back on planet Merkava 3D, I can highly recommend the new Meng 3D Late LIC.
Should be very similar in kit quality to the 3D early. Just a few add-ons here and there. Rather than arguing about which kit you think is better, you should argue how you're going to realistically portray the anti slip coating
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