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whatif 4 inch matilda cruiser
armagh5
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Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2012 - 10:21 AM UTC
Guys
this is a 4 inch Matilda
wheels are widened Valantine drive sprockets are Centurion
exhaust silencers scratch built and moulded
i wanted to use the original mantlet to give it as much a Matilda look as possible
guess what the tracks are
all comments welcome
regards Andrew
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Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2012 - 11:08 AM UTC
I must admit Andy I do enjoy watching your what if British AFV's coming together. My only concern would be the turret not being long enough for that gun, rather than the box I would have extended the rear of the turret as is seen on the firefly.
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Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2012 - 12:11 PM UTC
are the tracks from a tiger or panther?
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Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2012 - 12:14 PM UTC

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are the tracks from a tiger or panther?


They look more like panther tracks to me. I've attempted several Tiger builds and they don't seem to be of the same type.
Nice modifications.
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Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2012 - 12:24 PM UTC
the tracks are beyond me.?the rest of the build
looks very cool to me.
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Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2012 - 05:40 AM UTC
Hi Andrew,
cool build I, like the Charioteer style turret. It should take the recoil, as long as the shell charge is kept down,
or add a muzzle brake.
Paul
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Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2012 - 06:03 AM UTC
Very cool. Would the tracks be Tiger 1 transport tracks?
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Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2012 - 06:11 AM UTC
Those are Tiger 1 transport tracks. I am very surprised their pitch fits the Centurion sprockets!

Cheers!
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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2012 - 04:57 PM UTC
cool idea ! agree that the turret should have a bustle rather than the stowage box. Not sure about a muzzle-brake - I haven't ever seen one on a ship's 4"er.

Main missing item to me is typical small-wheeled suspension of the original Matilda, maybe a good thick side bazooka-plate on the side will restore the "look"?

Love these Alt. afv ideas of yours, Andrew !
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Posted: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 10:55 AM UTC
guys
thanks for your replies
the turret could have done with being longer
i may change that even though it now been painted
the tracks are tiger transport tracks and fitted well
thanks again for yopur interest
regards Andrew
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Posted: Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 03:28 AM UTC
Andrew,

Where, exactly, did you get the 4" barrel? Is it a Soviet T54 100mm barrel?

It certainly isn't the right length, shape or barrel wall thickness to be a British naval gun.


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Not sure about a muzzle-brake - I haven't ever seen one on a ship's 4"er.

As I say above, it really isn't a shop's 4" gun. But if it was, a) it wouldn't fit into that turret b) you couldn't handle the ammo in that turret (Mk XIX 4" QF ammo was almost 4 feet long!) and c) if you _could_ modify the mounting enough to squish into that turret, you could add a brake on the muzzle, no problem.



Really, in that small turret, if you wanted anything even as small as a 75mm, it almost _had_ to have a brake. Even the turret ring on the expanded turret on this tank is probably only about the same diameter as a Crusader's and that had to have a brake when fitted with the Brit 75mm in the Staghound III.


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Main missing item to me is typical small-wheeled suspension of the original Matilda, maybe a good thick side bazooka-plate on the side will restore the "look"?


I like the change in look with the new suspension. I don't know where the torsion bars would go, but I like the look.


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Love these Alt. afv ideas of yours, Andrew !


I like "what-ifs" as well, but my mechanical design engineer's mind keeps wanting to impose realism on these things yet still keep the playfulness of the what-if concept.

Still, other than the overly long barrel & no brake, it looks reasonably well balanced. It _could_ use the radio bustle if you are so inclined and perhaps an auxilliary fuel tank hanging over the back like the Crusaders?

Paul
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