I was wrapping up a P-38 model, air-brushed with Tamiya acrylics and a coat of future. I had all the decals on, then added another coat of future to seal them. I let it cure for about 24 hours before spraying it with Testors dullcote. To my horror, as I watched, the dullcote ate through the Future in places and the paint ran. It didn't seem to be an issue on flat surfaces (eg: the wings), but on the engine nacelles, it's a mess.
Any ideas on what I did wrong? Maybe I didn't let the Future cure long enough?
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stonecw
Joined: May 11, 2011
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Posted: Sunday, August 05, 2012 - 07:10 AM UTC
cabasner
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 12:50 PM UTC
Clint,
Sorry to hear about your problem. Unfortunately, I'll have to let others answer about potential causes, as I have done the same sequence as you, and have not left the Future cure for very long (maybe an hour or 2), and have had no issues at all with Dullcote over it. Best of luck!
Sorry to hear about your problem. Unfortunately, I'll have to let others answer about potential causes, as I have done the same sequence as you, and have not left the Future cure for very long (maybe an hour or 2), and have had no issues at all with Dullcote over it. Best of luck!
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 01:14 PM UTC
From what others have said, I would assume the problem is that you let the Future cure. I have used the Future, decal, Future, Testor's dull coat with no problems. I usually let the Future cure for only a few hours. Something else you may want to consider is using a clear gloss over the decal, instead of Future.
pseudorealityx
Joined: January 31, 2010
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 01:30 PM UTC
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From what others have said, I would assume the problem is that you let the Future cure. I have used the Future, decal, Future, Testor's dull coat with no problems. I usually let the Future cure for only a few hours. Something else you may want to consider is using a clear gloss over the decal, instead of Future.
Future IS a clear gloss Matt...
If it ate through the Future, it sounds like you put on a pretty heavy coat. How heavy did you apply it?
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 02:34 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextFrom what others have said, I would assume the problem is that you let the Future cure. I have used the Future, decal, Future, Testor's dull coat with no problems. I usually let the Future cure for only a few hours. Something else you may want to consider is using a clear gloss over the decal, instead of Future.
Future IS a clear gloss Matt...
If it ate through the Future, it sounds like you put on a pretty heavy coat. How heavy did you apply it?
Future evaporates as it dries. Also, it is not an enamel.
pseudorealityx
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 02:47 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted TextFrom what others have said, I would assume the problem is that you let the Future cure. I have used the Future, decal, Future, Testor's dull coat with no problems. I usually let the Future cure for only a few hours. Something else you may want to consider is using a clear gloss over the decal, instead of Future.
Future IS a clear gloss Matt...
If it ate through the Future, it sounds like you put on a pretty heavy coat. How heavy did you apply it?
Future evaporates as it dries. Also, it is not an enamel.
What does that have to do with anything???
retiredyank
Joined: June 29, 2009
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 03:43 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted TextQuoted TextFrom what others have said, I would assume the problem is that you let the Future cure. I have used the Future, decal, Future, Testor's dull coat with no problems. I usually let the Future cure for only a few hours. Something else you may want to consider is using a clear gloss over the decal, instead of Future.
Future IS a clear gloss Matt...
If it ate through the Future, it sounds like you put on a pretty heavy coat. How heavy did you apply it?
Future evaporates as it dries. Also, it is not an enamel.
What does that have to do with anything???
How it reacts to paint.
stonecw
Joined: May 11, 2011
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 05:22 PM UTC
I did put a pretty heavy coat of dullcote on, but I figured the Future would act as a protective layer ... Which is why some people use it prior to weathering. I'm guessing I may have put the future on too heavy and just didn't give it enough time to dry in the crevices. I was using Tamiya acrylic paint, so I wouldn't expect the acrylic Future to react with the paint. I can only guess that the dullcote reacted with the wet Future.
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 05:24 PM UTC
I have done that before. Had to repaint the entire kit.
Rouse713
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 05:27 AM UTC
You have to be careful when applying the dullcoat. Its solvent is laquer based, so it is a more aggressive paint. That said, if you paint too heavily, it will eat through quite a bit. I wouldn't expect future to hold up to a very wet spraying of dullcoat even though it is an acrylic.
When I spray dullcoat (which is a nice coating, don't get discouraged), I spray farther away and very lightly for the first coat or two. Then I can move in closer.
Also when spraying dullcoat, don't keep spraying it because the model looks "glossy". Sometimes I go back over an area and I am like what the heck, I know I sprayed this with dullcoat? Little did I know I was looking at a section that didn't dry. I gave it a minute and it was flat as could be. So be patient when applying.
Sorry to hear about the plane.
When I spray dullcoat (which is a nice coating, don't get discouraged), I spray farther away and very lightly for the first coat or two. Then I can move in closer.
Also when spraying dullcoat, don't keep spraying it because the model looks "glossy". Sometimes I go back over an area and I am like what the heck, I know I sprayed this with dullcoat? Little did I know I was looking at a section that didn't dry. I gave it a minute and it was flat as could be. So be patient when applying.
Sorry to hear about the plane.
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