AFV Painting & Weathering
Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
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Help with Gulf War weathering
imatanker
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2012 - 10:08 PM UTC
Getting ready to paint and weather Academys Gulf War Sheridan.Can any of you Gents help Me out?I haven't done desert weathering before and was hoping to get some ideas.Dust,rust,chipping,fading?Thanks Jeff T.
RNicoletti
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Posted: Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 03:52 AM UTC
I'd recommend using a lighter shade of your base color for a panel fade (lighter center of panel fading to regular base color as you get to lines or breaks) and heavy dusting.
Unless you're modeling an abandoned vehicle, I don't think there'd be much opportunity for chipping and rusting.
Regards,
Rich
Unless you're modeling an abandoned vehicle, I don't think there'd be much opportunity for chipping and rusting.
Regards,
Rich
imatanker
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Posted: Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 12:51 PM UTC
Richard,thanks for the help.That's kinda what I thought.I could get the same result with a pre shade?J.T.
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Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012 - 12:55 AM UTC
I would think that the sand would wear the paint on the road wheels and front glacis.
imatanker
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Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012 - 10:33 AM UTC
Matt...check the ger r done 3 campaign picture pages to see what I came up with. I think it looks pretty good. I did a pre shade with black,then sprayed some Revells Gulf War sand. After which I dusted on some Vallejo buff.Jeff T.
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Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012 - 12:15 PM UTC
@Jeff
A few years ago (maybe 2005-2006 I think) I did Tamiya's 1/35 Challenger II as a Desert Storm build. I did the same as you, mostly. I primered the entire thing in flat black, then airbrushed a 50/50 mix of Tamiya's Dark Yellow and Buff. For dust, I used highly thinned Buff and sprayed upwards along the skirts for the effect. I lost most of the photos, but have a couple that I found backed up on an old USB drive:
Hope that helps. I'm not a big fan of mudding things up, as unless I see a picture it generally looks out of scale and overdone. I'm more of a subtle weathering type of modeler.
A few years ago (maybe 2005-2006 I think) I did Tamiya's 1/35 Challenger II as a Desert Storm build. I did the same as you, mostly. I primered the entire thing in flat black, then airbrushed a 50/50 mix of Tamiya's Dark Yellow and Buff. For dust, I used highly thinned Buff and sprayed upwards along the skirts for the effect. I lost most of the photos, but have a couple that I found backed up on an old USB drive:
Hope that helps. I'm not a big fan of mudding things up, as unless I see a picture it generally looks out of scale and overdone. I'm more of a subtle weathering type of modeler.
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Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012 - 02:13 PM UTC
That's very nice work Matt. I'll have to try that approach with the 1/72 Abrams I'm building.
Tim
Tim
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Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012 - 02:23 PM UTC
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That's very nice work Matt. I'll have to try that approach with the 1/72 Abrams I'm building.
Tim
I'll see if I can dig it out and bring it to the October meeting. It's packed up with most of my 1/35 finished kits somewhere down here in the basement...
imatanker
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Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012 - 08:42 PM UTC
Gentlemen,now that I have access to my laptop here is how mine turned out...
This was my first desert paint job.There are a couple of things that I would do differently next time,but I don't think it came out that bad.Jeff T.
This was my first desert paint job.There are a couple of things that I would do differently next time,but I don't think it came out that bad.Jeff T.
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Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012 - 09:09 PM UTC
I've seen some pretty good results from colored pencils actually. Think it was a 'How to Weather' stick on IMPS's Stockholm site? It only simulated scuff marks but it'll add some extra detail.
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Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012 - 09:19 PM UTC
Nice effect.
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Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 02:57 AM UTC
@Jeff T
The Sheridan turned out great. In the Gulf (and I've been there 7 times since 1990-1991) the biggest issues isn't the abrasiveness of the sand but the fact that it's EVERYWHERE! Having a good dusting/misting of a buff color does a good job of replicating that, just like your build.
Even out in the Persian Gulf, we had sand everywhere; sea snakes too...sheesh.
The sand got into any crack and crevice in our equipment, and it would wreak havoc on most mechanical parts (hydraulic systems, gears, etc) but unless you got a big sandstorm it wasn't taking the paint off stuff. Glad I'm not doing that stuff anymore!
The Sheridan turned out great. In the Gulf (and I've been there 7 times since 1990-1991) the biggest issues isn't the abrasiveness of the sand but the fact that it's EVERYWHERE! Having a good dusting/misting of a buff color does a good job of replicating that, just like your build.
Even out in the Persian Gulf, we had sand everywhere; sea snakes too...sheesh.
The sand got into any crack and crevice in our equipment, and it would wreak havoc on most mechanical parts (hydraulic systems, gears, etc) but unless you got a big sandstorm it wasn't taking the paint off stuff. Glad I'm not doing that stuff anymore!
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Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 07:11 PM UTC
Thanks for the comments Guys.
Big S...your Chally looks sweet,I will have to try that paint mix on My next desert job,and Dude,7 times? Thats just crazy.Thank you for your service.Jeff T.
Big S...your Chally looks sweet,I will have to try that paint mix on My next desert job,and Dude,7 times? Thats just crazy.Thank you for your service.Jeff T.
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Posted: Monday, October 01, 2012 - 11:10 PM UTC
Jeff,
Good looking Sheridan. It appears that your Smoke Grenade Launchers are oriented a bit too far to the sides. If you are still in the weathering process, I would recommend adding a thinned burnt umber oil paint pinwash, to help to make the panels, louvers, and other details to stand out. The burnt umber will contrast nicely with the sand paint. I would concur with using colored pencils for those light scratches. I have used the same technique for doen th esame thing on the Meng Merkava that I am working on for an AMPS review. You have a good base to make an outstanding model.
As an aside, I had a friend command D Co 3-73AR while in ODS. He had some great stories of having to put the Sheridans back together after that little fracas in Panama.
John
Good looking Sheridan. It appears that your Smoke Grenade Launchers are oriented a bit too far to the sides. If you are still in the weathering process, I would recommend adding a thinned burnt umber oil paint pinwash, to help to make the panels, louvers, and other details to stand out. The burnt umber will contrast nicely with the sand paint. I would concur with using colored pencils for those light scratches. I have used the same technique for doen th esame thing on the Meng Merkava that I am working on for an AMPS review. You have a good base to make an outstanding model.
As an aside, I had a friend command D Co 3-73AR while in ODS. He had some great stories of having to put the Sheridans back together after that little fracas in Panama.
John
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Posted: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 02:58 AM UTC
Jeff, your paint and weathering looks great on my laptop. Nicely done.
Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 11:45 AM UTC
John... I think you are right,a pin wash would help the build out.As far as the smoke tubes go,the fit to the hull was not very good,and the instructions not very clear,so they ended up where they ended up Jeff T.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 12:45 PM UTC
Jeff,
Totally understand about the SGLs... Let's see some additional pics after you do your pin washes.
John
Totally understand about the SGLs... Let's see some additional pics after you do your pin washes.
John