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1/16th scratchbuilt Modern Armor?
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Posted: Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 02:07 AM UTC
a couple weeks ago I stumbled upon a website with images of someones EXCELLENT 1/16th scratchbuilt modern armor, and now, for the life of me, I haven't the foggiest idea where. can ANYONE help?
The stuff on this site was Mostly U.S. ( M1A2, LAV, M2A1Bradley...etc.,)
Thanks
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Posted: Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 03:09 AM UTC
I think this is what you were looking for ?

Jan
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Posted: Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 03:11 AM UTC
This one: Talal Chouman website ?

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Posted: Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 03:19 AM UTC
Ah, it seems you were faster to reply General...

BTW, Jan can you tell me what materials you use when scratchbuilding big scale armor? I've been in contact with a company that would like me to build a model for them... as it is a vehicle that isn't on the market, I believe I'd need to make it from scratch. I don't know if I'm able to pull something like that off, but I'm willing to try.

Mario M.
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 03:17 AM UTC
Jan
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 04:04 AM UTC
There was some conflict at the AMPS east show regarding his stuff. He was expecting to win best of show and when he did not he threw a hissy fit and gave -threw?- back his gold medals. -AMPS awards gold medals to all deserving entrants-

In addition, the fact that he is a professional and used his resources and contacts with the US Govt to assist in CAD/CAM/CCM many of the parts muddied the waters as well.

His stuff is beautiful, but he is clearly operating on a higher plane of 'building' than the rest of us non-professionals.

Not to reopen the can of worms here, but Is it really scratchbuilding when you use a computer to draw/scale and manufacture your parts?

Mike
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Posted: Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 04:28 AM UTC
I heard about this incident and the subsequent behavior too. Needless to say I was shocked.

No, in my humble opinion, using a CAD/CAM to guide a laser to cut out your pieces for you does not make it a "scratchbuilt" model in the traditional sense of the term. It is glorified and expensive kit assembling.

I think the "scratchbuild" question wouldn't have become a big deal to the modelers present if the unfortunate reaction had not occured - and - the modeler's finishing and weathering technique were up to the level of other entrants displayed there. It came across to me, in reading the blow-by-blow accounts that somehow "bigger & better" equalled to walking away with the top honors. Like tagging an entry "scratchbuilt" carries more weight in the decision making process, and somehow the access to US Government information, CAD/CAM, and a laser cutting system gave the modeler a leg up over everyone else.

In another thread the merits of OOB versus "deep pocket" entrants is being debated too interestingly...
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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2003 - 02:28 AM UTC
Similar situation at the IPMS Nats in Virginia Beach a few years ago with his 1/16th scratched Bradley when he received an Honorable Mention.
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Posted: Monday, November 03, 2003 - 02:59 AM UTC

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Ah, it seems you were faster to reply General...

BTW, Jan can you tell me what materials you use when scratchbuilding big scale armor? I've been in contact with a company that would like me to build a model for them... as it is a vehicle that isn't on the market, I believe I'd need to make it from scratch. I don't know if I'm able to pull something like that off, but I'm willing to try.

Mario M.



I would still use styrene, as this is the most common basic element, but use thicker than you would for a 1/35th scale. And use more structural bracing. I intend to do an Abrams someday (ah, the dreaded someday) and I will use .070 sheet styrene, for two reasons. It is to scale with the armor on the abrams and it is thicker and will hold its structure better. Mr Chouman did his Abrams out of styrene, I just wish there were more construction pics to show how he made it structurally viable.

Rob
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