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A very easy way to damage a camouflage
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 07:19 AM UTC
Hello guys

Here you can see how a bowl full of water can provide you a very easy way to achieve a damaged camouflage. I hope you like it.

http://fcmodeltips.blogspot.com.es/2012/09/kv-1-pintando-traves-del-agua.html
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 07:40 AM UTC
Ola Federico

You have no idea how much I love techniques like this. They are easy and give a great result.

Just to make sure I understood it correctly.

You put the model parts under water.
You get it out
Quickly spray the white color before the kit dries.
And then you dip it in the water again
In that last action it looses a lot of it's paint.
Then let dry.

I think that are the steps right?

I have to try this soon. Great idea.

With friendly greetz

Robert Blokker
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 10:36 AM UTC
The process which Robert has described is the same which I've understood. It seems interesting. The only doubt which I have is if on a smaller model "the "water technique" could be as effective as on a larger one

Thanks a lot for sharing anyway!
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 11:03 AM UTC
Very interesting, I'll have to look back later and read that article about twenty times (Mozilla Firefox does a hideous job of translating) to make sure I understand what's been said.
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 07:14 PM UTC
Hello

You understood it perfect, Iīm sorry maybe my english is not good enough to explain it correctly.

Regards

Federico
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 12:17 AM UTC

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Hello

You understood it perfect, Iīm sorry maybe my english is not good enough to explain it correctly.

Regards

Federico


Well, considering that both of us have understood in a perfect way, that's no true
I have question for you. When you paint for the first time your wet model, should you have a large amount of water on the model surfaces or just a bit?

Thanks in advance. I've added your blog to my internet bookmarks

Cheers
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 02:59 AM UTC
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Hello

You understood it perfect, Iīm sorry maybe my english is not good enough to explain it correctly.

Regards

Federico


Well, considering that both of us have understood in a perfect way, that's no true
I have question for you. When you paint for the first time your wet model, should you have a large amount of water on the model surfaces or just a bit?

Thanks in advance. I've added your blog to my internet bookmarks

Cheers[/quote

There is not an exact amount, the more water ther is the less paint will catch, and the distance of the airbrush also is important, the more pressure, the more paint will get through the water. If you want to try, do it first with and old model, or a toy.

Cheers
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 03:21 AM UTC

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I've added your blog to my internet bookmarks


Ditto here. Always good to have interesting tips at hand.

Also send you a PM
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 05:20 AM UTC
I am looking at switching from primarily using Model Master enamels to Vallejo acrylics. I think this technique would work really well. I was wondering however, does this damage the base coats? I know with the enamels, any thinner would lift the base coats within 10 seconds or so.

Do acyrlics cure and become somewhat water resistant for a little bit to allow for this technique?

Thanks-a-bunch.
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 06:15 AM UTC
There is a similar technique outlined in this month's FSM. They show it as a way to fade paint as well as destroy camouflage. Personally, I think it looks too random and there is very little in the way of controlling the effect.

However, this version seems to come out a lot better IMHO. I will try it out sometime!
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 07:00 AM UTC

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Do acyrlics cure and become somewhat water resistant for a little bit to allow for this technique?


As far as I've seen, yes, it does. When they are well cured, acrylic paints are waterproof.

I'd like to try this technique to represent some rust on a car body. It could be a fater alternative to hairspray techique. However you can have more control with the hairspray
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 05:59 PM UTC

Quoted Text

There is a similar technique outlined in this month's FSM. They show it as a way to fade paint as well as destroy camouflage. Personally, I think it looks too random and there is very little in the way of controlling the effect.

However, this version seems to come out a lot better IMHO. I will try it out sometime!


Hello

I made an article for FSM using ICM Kz.1 and 2, explaining this technique and another one. Maybe itīs the article you mean.
And you are right, itīs almost impossible to control the effect. Itīs absolutely random.
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 06:01 PM UTC

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I am looking at switching from primarily using Model Master enamels to Vallejo acrylics. I think this technique would work really well. I was wondering however, does this damage the base coats? I know with the enamels, any thinner would lift the base coats within 10 seconds or so.

Do acyrlics cure and become somewhat water resistant for a little bit to allow for this technique?

Hello

Water will not affect the base coat if it is already cured.

Best regards

Thanks-a-bunch.
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Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012 - 06:18 PM UTC

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And you are right, itīs almost impossible to control the effect. Itīs absolutely random.


In your process, you've painted the entire model then you've put it in a tray full of water. Have you tried to wet just a zone of it?

So for exemple, if you wetted and painted just a fender and if you soaked the model, you'd probably obtain the effect just on it. That may give you some more control. To add other effects in other zones, you may wait that paint is cured then you could repeat the process. I'd like to try
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Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 07:44 PM UTC
I meant no disrespect Federico; I was dead tired when I saw your post so I wasn't exactly 'focused'.
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