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Posted: Sunday, November 04, 2012 - 10:42 PM UTC
Hi all,

I watched the Vallejo's "AFV Acrylic Techniques DVD", and I must admit that the techniques are looking very innovative. I'm using Vallejo paints, for weathering I'm using enamel products but I want to try that techniques/products.

I don't clearly understand one thing, all the products in the dvd are acrylic/water based, what is Mig Jimenez using between the acrylic layers for sealing? for example, before applying the wash? Future, varnish, nothing?

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Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 04:29 AM UTC
I use Tamiya and Model Master Acrylic paints. I seal the base acrylic colors in future before any filters and or washes. Then seal each those before adding the next one. Hope that this helps.
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Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 08:48 AM UTC
Actually I wouldn't imagine anything would be used to seal the acrylics betwwen layers. Unlike enamels, once they're dry, it pretty much takes an act of God to damage them.

FYI - Future is really nothing more than a clear acrylic.
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Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 09:27 AM UTC

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Actually I wouldn't imagine anything would be used to seal the acrylics betwwen layers. Unlike enamels, once they're dry, it pretty much takes an act of God to damage them.

FYI - Future is really nothing more than a clear acrylic.



I'm thinking that, all of Vallejo's products are water based, they may damage the layers applied before them. especially the "Vallejo washes", usage of water is high when working with these stuff.

Just a thought...

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Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 09:38 AM UTC

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Actually I wouldn't imagine anything would be used to seal the acrylics betwwen layers. Unlike enamels, once they're dry, it pretty much takes an act of God to damage them.


I would have disagree with this statement. If enamels have enough time cure ... approx. 24 hrs .... you can wash on them without any damage, if you have a mild thinner. I use Humbrol´s own enamel thinnner and never had a problem. I also use this to thin MIG´s oils for weathering ... same thing ... no problem. They take longer than acrylics to cure, but it would also take an act of God to lift it ... unless you use a thinner that is too "hot".
The only reason I use Future, is to get a gloss coat to attach the decals, and then use it again to seal them. You dont need all these layers unless you want to work very quickly. In reality all these extra layers is only burying the finer details.
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Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 09:44 AM UTC
So the question is:

Is it really necessary to seal the layers (paint, filter, wash, etc.) with a varnish or something? Is it a "must"?? I'm talking about acrylics.

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Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 04:27 PM UTC
For just acrylics, I would say no, as long as you give the previous layer time to dry completely.
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Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 10:05 PM UTC
With acrylic techniques??????

Just NOTHING

With acrylic bases in combination with enamels and oils???

Just NOTHING!

So easy

Thanks!

MIG

PS: Just one note. If my base color surface is not enought satin, I just apply a coat of satin varnish to help to the washes work better. But when I use a satin base color, I don't need to use satin varnish. Satin varnish is not to protect the base coat, but only to help washes and give to the final model a contrast between the metal tank surface and the matt effects like dust or dirt.
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2012 - 12:21 AM UTC
I don't like to use a lot of coats too, they are just bury the details. I will use that techniques as exactly as Miguel wrotes.

Thanks guys, all the questions on my mind were answered..

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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2012 - 02:37 AM UTC
I re-read my post and it really didn't answer your question. I don't seal any layers of acrylics, but I do let each layer dry for 24 hours.

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